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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2022 7:52 AM, Iikka Hauhio
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;"><b>'elaDya'ngan </b>is
same as <b>'elaDya' ngan</b>, a noun-noun construction meaning
"inhabitant of Greece". For arbitrary reasons, people write
spaces between some words and not between other words. Spaces
are as unimportant as are commas, periods, and so on. You can
use them if you want.<br>
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<p>As per my previous message, I disagree. According to what Okrand
said, <b>'elaDya'ngan</b> means a member of the people of Greece,
a Greek, while <b>'elaDya' ngan</b> means an inhabitant of Greece
whether they're Greek or not.<br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">Some people are
firmly against writing words together without spaces because
they think it is same as "inventing new words". This is not
true, it is just a matter of convention how to punctuate the
Okrandian notation and has nothing to do with inventing words.
In reality, people write noun-noun constructs together all the
time without spaces, for example <b>SochleS</b>, <b>SuwomIyngan</b>, <b>mI'tej</b>, <b>ta'puq</b>,
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<p>yesusingspacesandotherkindsofpunctuationareaconventionbutsomeconventionsaremoreimportantthanothers
On this list, the convention is to not forge new compound nouns
where there is no precedent for doing so. Numbers attached to <b>leS,
Hu',</b> and so on are attested in canon, as are nouns with <b>-ngan.</b>
We have been given <b>mI' tej</b> (with a space) by Okrand, and
people who attach <b>tej</b> or <b>QeD</b> to words are at least
following an apparent pattern, even though it goes against our
convention. (And you can do what you like if your compound is a
proper noun.) Lieven was given special dispensation to write <b>ta'puq</b>
and told specifically that it wasn't actually a canonical word.
("Maltz agreed that whatever it is, it's the word for this guy in
the story and does not establish how it fits in with (native)
Klingon words for rulers or government officials or the like." You
wouldn't need a special note like that if you could freely form
compounds like this.)</p>
<p>Clearly, there is SOME process that turns noun-noun constructions
into compound nouns. And just as clearly, that process is NOT
"shove nouns together freely." Without more data on this, and we
have very little, we do not create new compounds ourselves. It is
the convention of this list, and most places you find Klingonists,
that you use spaces to separate all lexemes (including their
affixes) from each other. That includes nouns in a noun-noun
relationship. If you want to create a compound noun, you'll have
to convince everyone either that your compound is canonical or
that there is sufficient evidence to show that creating a lexeme
is warranted.<br>
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