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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/26/2022 7:57 PM, Iikka Hauhio
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result of this conflation, that you're misreading the
sentence ("legitimate" in the sense that it would be
found in a dictionary). The unwritten implication here
is "... found in a dictionary (as one word written
without spaces)". You wrote that he contradicts
himself by including "compound nouns with spaces", but
it's not a contradiction because compound nouns are
written without spaces in his convention. The
dictionary contains both compound nouns (without
spaces) *and* noun-noun constructions (with spaces),
but by the classification described in TKD, they are
different classes of noun constructs.</span></span></span><br>
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<div style="font-family: arial; font-size: 14px;">How I read it is
that there are "combinations of nouns". If a combination is a
"legitimate compound noun", it works as discussed in TKD section
2. Then if a combination is <i>not</i> a legitimate compound
noun, it works like a noun-noun construct discussed in section
3.4. This would mean that noun-noun constructs are not
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<p>No. TKD says "it is possible to combine nouns in the manner of a
compound noun to produce a new construct even if it is not a
legitimate compound noun ("legitimate" in the sense that it would
be found in a dictionary)." It doesn't say that noun-noun
constructions are not legitimate in this sense; it says it is
possible to combine them as noun-noun constructions <i>even if</i><i>
</i>they're not legitimate. That doesn't mean that all noun-nouns
are illegitimate; it means that <i>even if</i> the noun-noun is
not legitimate, you can still construct it. You don't need the
dictionary's permission to construct a particular noun-noun.</p>
<p>So <b>'Iw HIq</b> is a noun-noun that appears lexicalized. It
represents a known thing that has a set phrase. <b>nuH pegh</b>
does not appear in the dictionary. It is coined on the spot and
does not represent a set, lexicalized phrase. That passage about
"legitimate" combinations is about being allowed to construct
phrases like <b>nuH pegh</b> even though they don't appear in the
word list.<br>
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sections 2 and 3.4 describe very similar constructs (they are both
quite vague and section 3.4 doesn't really explain the genitive
behavior of the noun-noun construct). What is the difference
between a "compound noun" and a "noun-noun construction"? The only
difference I see is that one has spaces and the other has not.<br>
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<p>A compound noun is a type of complex noun that is lexicalized. A
noun-noun construction is a combination of nouns that are not a
compound noun, not a complex noun, and may or may not be
lexicalized. We assume the convention that we may not create
compound nouns because we cannot create lexicalized terms, but we
can create noun-noun constructions because we can create
non-lexicalized terms.</p>
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