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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 at
14:07, mayqel qunen'oS <<a
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{-jaj} with imperatives?<br>
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<div>ghobe'.</div>
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may you enjoy the food!<br>
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<div>{yI-}</div>
<div>"A special set of prefixes is used for imperatives, that
is, verbs giving commands. (TKD p.34)</div>
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<div>{-jaj}</div>
<div>"This suffix is used to express a desire or wish on the
part of the speaker that something take place in the
future." (TKD p. 175)<br>
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<div>How can something be both a command and a wish?</div>
<div>{Soj yItIv} "I command you to enjoy the food"</div>
<div>{Soj DatIvjaj "I wish that you enjoy the food"</div>
<div>*{Soj yItIvjaj} "I command I wish you to enjoy the food"?
"I wish that I command that you enjoy the food"?</div>
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rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Although there's nothing
grammatically wrong, something feels weird,<br>
but I can't understand what it is exactly that seems
strange.<br>
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<div>A sentence can be grammatically correct and also
meaningless. What would a combination of {yI-} with {-jaj}
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<p>I agree, imperative <b>-jaj</b> makes no sense. Furthermore,
mayqel may be misunderstanding <i>May you enjoy the food</i> as
an imperative. It's not; it's a subjunctive. There's no reason to
force Klingon into the imperative to match the English, because
the English is not in the imperative mood.</p>
<p><i>May you enjoy the food</i> is simply <b>Soj DatIvjaj.</b> In
English, it's subjunctive; in Klingon, it's indicative, unless you
want to call <b>-jaj</b> the optative mood. Since <b>-jaj</b> is
used on independent clauses and seems to be incompatible with the
imperative mood in Klingon, I think there's a good argument to
make that <b>-jaj</b> does, indeed, create a new mood in Klingon.
(There is a similar argument to be made that Klingon also has an
interrogative mood.)<br>
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