<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">Agreed. So, what is a wish? Basically, it’s a secular prayer. <div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Prayers and wishes are attempts to command God, the gods, or fate, or at the very least SUGGEST what it/they might cause to occur. Given the lack of feedback, you either think wishes or prayers to yourself or say them aloud to whomever might be listening, but the message is aimed at perhaps vaguely imaginary entities that cannot be directly experienced.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">A command does the same to the person(s) or sentient animal(s) you are speaking to.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, make up your mind whom you are speaking to. It doesn’t make rational sense to make the same suggestion to both gods and persons…</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Unless your meaning is really special, like:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">qoHvam chuS yItlheDmoHjaj jay'!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Would Fate, some god, or any person who can hear this please make this noisy fool go away?]</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 20, 2022, at 8:20 AM, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" class="">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Thu, 20 Jan 2022 at 14:07, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Does it make sense to use {-jaj} with imperatives?<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">ghobe'.</div><div class=""> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
Soj yItIvjaj<br class="">
may you enjoy the food!<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""> </div><div class="">{yI-}</div><div class="">"A special set of prefixes is used for imperatives, that is, verbs giving commands. (TKD p.34)</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">{-jaj}</div><div class="">"This suffix is used to express a desire or wish on the part of the speaker that something take place in the future." (TKD p. 175)<br class=""></div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">How can something be both a command and a wish?</div><div class="">{Soj yItIv} "I command you to enjoy the food"</div><div class="">{Soj DatIvjaj "I wish that you enjoy the food"</div><div class="">*{Soj yItIvjaj} "I command I wish you to enjoy the food"? "I wish that I command that you enjoy the food"?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Although there's nothing grammatically wrong, something feels weird,<br class="">
but I can't understand what it is exactly that seems strange.<br class=""></blockquote><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">A sentence can be grammatically correct and also meaningless. What would a combination of {yI-} with {-jaj} mean?</div></div></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>
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