<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">I’d like a clarification. I sometimes have false memories, so I won’t assume that my memory that {HochHom X} would be plural (more than half of whole 0items in the group of items called X) and {X HochHom} would be singular (more than half of one item called X). When before the noun, I thought {HochHom} behaved grammatically like a number, and when following the noun, it acted more like a second noun in a noun-noun construction. I thought that {Hoch} worked the same way.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I’m guessing this is similar to numbers in general, since {vagh X} is five Xs, but {X vagh} is a specific item from a group of items called {X}, so that numbers indicate degree of plurality when preceding nouns, and describe a specific, singular noun when they follow it.<br class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Again, I can’t cite any canon. I’m not getting all puffed up and righteous about this or seeking conflict or challenging authority. I just thought I understood how this works, and I see a description that doesn’t fit what I thought I understood.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 6, 2022, at 9:00 AM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/6/2022 8:09 AM,
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">De'vID:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">QInvam luHevpu''a' latlh? pIm'a' QIn?
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">*Spam*Daq tetlhvam lulochbogh HochHom QIn'e' vIHev, Landau Martin je QInmey vIHev je. pImbe'.
By the way, two short questions:
1. Should *HochHom QIn* be considered singular or plural?</pre>
</blockquote><p class="">Unclear. We might suppose that <b class="">HochHom X</b> follows the same
rule as <b class="">Hoch X:</b> including a plural suffix means to take
most of the X's as a whole, while leaving off a plural suffix
means to take most of the X's individually. I would guess, in that
case, that the plurality of the phrase depends on whether there is
a plural suffix. But we don't know for sure if <b class="">HochHom</b>
follows the same rule; I suggest it only as a default position to
take.<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">2. I guess there is nothing wrong with *(noun noun je) + noun* as a noun-noun construction? Are there canonical examples?
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</blockquote><p class="">Nothing wrong with it. A canonical example comes from <i class="">paq'batlh:</i></p><p class=""><b class="">vaSvamDaq<br class="">
tuq veng je quvvaD<br class="">
Heghqangbogh SuvwI' tu'be'lu''a'</b></p><p class=""><i class="">Is there nobody in this hall<br class="">
Prepared to die for the honor<br class="">
Of your tribe and city?</i></p>
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SuStel
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