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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/26/2021 8:49 AM, Will Martin
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">The issue here is that Okrand’s language and the fiction of Klingon culture are quite frequently nudge-nudge-wink-wink very familiar to life on Earth without a lot of thought. Why does Klingon have a 24-hour day at all?</pre>
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<p>I'm on vacation, and it hasn't been convenient for me to respond
to the very silly things you've been saying. I've got a moment
now.</p>
<p>"Klingons have adopted the way most civilized planets in the
Galaxy tell time. They have twenty-four hour days." <i>(Conversational
Klingon)</i> Why would they do this? It's just a TV show; don't
worry about it. A "galactic standard" time makes sense, and the
humans driving the Federation to adopt "Earth standard" time also
makes sense in a "we barge in and tell you to do things our way"
kind of way. And I have no doubt that all the various planets have
their own local versions of time-telling that we're not told
about.<br>
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<p>And it doesn't matter. Okrand could have told us that Klingons
have thirteen-hour and forty-five minute days, and <i>klorns</i>
and <i>bleems</i> instead of hours and minutes. It wouldn't have
changed anything. People would be complaining that knowing the
Klingon words for <i>klorns</i> and <i>bleems</i> were useless
and would be pining for hours and minutes.</p>
<p>So yeah, the fictional Klingon culture is frequently
nudge-nudge-wink-wink very familiar. If you've only noticed this
now, you haven't been paying attention. If you've only recently
decided that this is unacceptable to you, you've spent a lot of
time learning a language you're not going to enjoy.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> Meanwhile, we quite commonly assume that a Klingon hour is exactly as long as an Earth hour.</pre>
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<p>It's completely irrelevant whether it is or isn't. If it is, then
they're just using the same "galactic standard" time. If it isn't,
then they've adapted it for Kronos. When someone says <b>rep,</b>
they just mean whatever equivalent "hour" is in the local time
system.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I’m not sure that it has been explicitly stated that a Klingon second, minute, and hour are of identical length to the human time units of those durations, yet we quite comfortably behave as if that is true. And now, you want to get all huffy about the absurdity of assuming that the unexplained “traditional” Klingon alternative to military time could possibly be a 12 hour clock.</pre>
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<p>No one but you is getting huffy, but people <i>are</i> resisting
your absurd objections. Others were perfectly willing to admit
that there is no explicit proof that the <b>Qoylu'pu'</b> style
of time-telling uses twenty-four hours, but when asked if you had
any evidence for it using only twelve hours, your response is to
rant about the foolishness of the fictional setting. Why not just
say "I don't know" and move on?<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Riiiiight.
And time zones? Well, Star Trek never thinks about time zones, nor does it explain how measuring time works without them.</pre>
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<p>Measuring time without time zones is easy. Everyone sets their
clocks to exactly the same time. The idea that you go to work at 9
in the morning and leave work at 5 in the evening is a completely
arbitrary convention that is not necessary to run a planetary
society. So people on the other side of the planet's prime
meridian will experience midnight at 1200 hours and noon at 0
hours. So what?</p>
<p>The Science Asylum just did a video on this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://youtu.be/DHIQxVhruak">https://youtu.be/DHIQxVhruak</a><br>
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<p>In fact, I'll bet you can't even point to any evidence that this
isn't exactly what any or all planets in the setting do.</p>
<p>I'm not saying it <i>is</i> what they do, just that it doesn't
really matter all that much.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I feel quite comfortable assuming that the traditional Klingon clock is a 12 hour clock until we are told otherwise. Yes, we can imagine other time systems, but they aren’t American, and in this Universe, pretty much everything is comfortably familiar to Americans, unless Okrand wants to make a joke out of an unexpected difference.
He can do that whenever he wants. And we can’t.</pre>
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If all you have is a cynical attitude about the Americanization of
the galaxy, why are you even bothering with Klingon? Why is
everything with you a slippery slope?<br>
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