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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/22/2021 11:44 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:luis.chaparro@web.de">luis.chaparro@web.de</a> wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">tugh qaS QISmaS. jar wa'maH cha' rav jaj javDIch 'aqroS jaj chorghDIch 'eSpanya''e' motlh juH lu'IHqu'choHmoHlu'.</pre>
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<p>I don't understand what <b>'eSpanya'</b> is supposed to be doing
here. Do you want <b>'eSpanya'Daq</b><i> in Spain</i>?</p>
<p>If <b>'IH</b> is <i>be beautiful,</i> then <b>'IHqu'</b> would
be something like <i>be incredibly gorgeous.</i> Is this perhaps
an exaggeration? I've noticed that people seem to always put <b>-qu'</b>
on <b>'IH</b> as if it were needed to mean <i>beautiful.</i> It
isn't.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> QISmaS Sor DIghaj, 'ach 'eSpanya' lurDech bIHbe'. *Bethlehem* velqa'mey nu' 'oH lurDechmaj'e'. pIj vIqraqna' bIH 'ej tInqu'. velqa'vam nu' ghaj je 'op DIvI', malja', chIrgh je 'ej SuchlaH nuvpu'.
jaj cha'maH loSDIch, jaj wejmaH wa'DIch je nItebHa' Sop qorDu'mey, 'eybogh 'eSpanya' Soj vItlh luSop. jaj wejmaH wa'DIch pagh rep wa'maH cha' ghIrep naH DISop je, baS 'In DIQoy'taHvIS.
nob Hevba' puqpu'ma', 'ach qembe' *Santa Claus*. qem wej ta' chul. wa' ta' wIv Hoch puq. jar wa' jaj vaghDIch Hoch vengDaq puqpu'vaD boghoy Dun tu'lu'. qaStaHvIS jajvetlh ram, QongtaHvIS puqpu', nob qem ta'pu'.
As always, I would appreciate any help / correction in order to improve my Klingon. I also have some questions:
1. I've discussed in another thread the difference between *'eSpanya' QISmaS* and *'eSpanya'ngan QISmaS*. If I've understood it well, I think I could use both here with a similar meaning, but I've chosen *'eSpanya' QISmaS* because I wanted to present the traditions in the context of the country's culture, rather than focusing on the people. Was it right?</pre>
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<p>Think of <b>'eSpanya' QISmaS</b> as <i>Spanish Christmas</i>
and <b>'eSpanya'ngan QISmaS</b> as <i>Spaniards' Christmas.</i>
I think you have chosen correctly.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">2. I wanted to use *'eSpanya''e'* as topic, but then I couldn't decide where I should place it. It's a noun with a Type 5 suffix. Time expressions come first. So I placed it after the time expression. However, my tendency was to say it at the beginning, before the time expression. Would that be right / possible?</pre>
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<p>I strongly recommend against using a topic noun in this way. The
rules suggest it should work, but it has never been done on a
basic sentence in the way you're doing it. Some people do this,
and some even recommend it, but you will inevitably run into the
problem that <b>-'e'</b> does not successfully replace whatever
English or Spanish preposition that you're trying to replicate. <b>-'e'</b>
as topic is good for sentence fragments and or course copulas, but
not really for OVS sentences.</p>
<p>By the book, time expressions come before other things. Exactly
what that covers is unclear, but generally you should do it. Your
tendency is being informed by your native language, which works
differently than Klingon. Klingon word order does not always feel
natural, because none of us are native speakers.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">3. In */Bethlehem/ velqa'mey nu' 'oH lurDechmaj'e'*, I've decided to use *'oH* since the idea is *As for our tradition, IT (the tradition) = miniatures of Bethlehem*, but I'm not sure about it.</pre>
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<p>Yeah, this has always been a problem. I think you've picked the
right one, but I forget which one we've seen before. I wouldn't
worry about it.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">4. Can we use *Such* with the meaning *to visit the miniatures*? Maybe *bej* would be better?</pre>
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<p><b>nuD? tIv?</b> We have a new word, <b>chotlh</b><i> stare at,
gaze at, ogle.</i><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">5. Am I telling dates / time correctly? I don't feel very confident with this. When should we tell time as hundreds?</pre>
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<p>Military time is used in the military, but we're told that
Klingons like to do things in the military style. I would expect
military time to be acceptable at any time, while other forms are
only for more casual or intimate settings. A bunch of humans
writing in Klingon on a mailing list? Pick whichever style you
prefer.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">6. Is it possible to say something like *jar wa' jaj vaghDIch ram* for *the night of January 5th*?
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<p>I'd accept it.<br>
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