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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I may have lost a post or two from this thread so apologies for any repetition, but here are Okrand’s examples of verbs with {-choHmoH}:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">maghoSchoHmoHneS'a'
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">May we execute a course (to some place)? (TKD)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Du'IHchoHmoH mIvvam
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">This helmet suits you. (TKD)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">nuqDaq waqwIj vIlamHa'choHmoH
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Where can I get my shoes cleaned? (TKD)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">HIvHe yIchoHmoH
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Alter the attack course! (ST5)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Hmm… There were fewer than I thought there would be.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/17/2021 9:49 AM, <a href="mailto:luis.chaparro@web.de">
luis.chaparro@web.de</a> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre><o:p> </o:p></pre>
<pre>1. We can use *-moH* or *-choHmoH* depending on wether we want to express or focus on the end result (*-moH*) or the change (*-choHmoH*) someone or something is causing.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>I wasn't stating a general rule; I was analyzing a specific sentence. Not all verbs will see a difference between an end result or a change. For instance, if I say
<b>tlhIngan Hol vIghojmoH</b><i> I teach Klingon,</i> I'm not focusing on an end result; I am just talking about an existing action. If I say
<b>tlhIngan Hol vIghojchoHmoH</b> <i>I start teaching Klingon,</i> I am talking about the beginning of an action.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Don't look for a formulaic interpretation of combinations of suffixes. Analyze each verb as you find it.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre> If someone wants to cook and her / his hands are really dirty, I'll probably be interested on emphasize that I want her / his hands to <span class="moz-txt-tag"><b>*</b></span><b>become<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> clean, so I'll likely use *-choHmoH*. If I just recommend someone to be <span class="moz-txt-tag"><b>*</b></span><b>generally<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> clean, I'll likely use *-moH*.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>Or if you want to recommend someone maintain a regular cleaning regimen (<b>Hoch jaj nuHlIj yISay'moH</b><i> Clean your weapon every day</i>). Or if you just want to explain how something becomes clean without describing the transition of going from dirty
to clean (<b>raS DaSay'moHmeH, taSvam yIlo'</b><i> Use this solution to clean the table</i>). There are lots of uses for
<b>-moH</b> with or without <b>-choH,</b> and you have to figure them out as needed. Don't try to come up with a simple formula to follow.<o:p></o:p></p>
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