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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/3/2021 11:37 PM, Scott D. Randel
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However, I was not asking for an explanation of the
definition, which I understand. I was asking if anybody
could tell me where the definition “for the benefit of”
originated, as TKD defines {-vaD} simply as “for, intended
for.”</span></p>
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<p>But it doesn't define <b>-vaD</b> simply as <i>for, intended
for.</i> It defines it by saying, "This suffix indicates that
the noun to which it is attached is in some way the beneficiary of
the action, the person or thing for whom or for which the activity
occurs." A beneficiary is someone who receives a benefit. The verb
occurs for or to the benefit of the noun marked by <b>-vaD.</b><br>
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<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, November 2, 2021 6:14 AM<br>
<b>To:</b> <a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org">tlhingan-hol@lists.kli.org</a><br>
<b>Subject:</b> Re: [tlhIngan Hol] {-vaD} "for the
benefit of"<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 11/2/2021 2:01 AM, Lieven L. Litaer
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<p class="MsoNormal">Am 02.11.2021 um 04:57 schrieb Scott D.
Randel: <br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="color:#007CFF">I have asked
several people where they learned that meaning, and all <br>
they could tell me was that they read or heard that
definition long ago. <br>
TKD does not use that wording. Does anybody here translate
it this way, <br>
and if so, do you know where you learned that definition?
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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I guess it is derived from the word benificiary, which TKD
really uses. <br>
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“This suffix indicates that the noun to which it is attached
is in some <br>
way the beneficiary of the action, the person or thing for
whom or for <br>
which the activity occurs.” <br>
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I'm not sure if there is a difference between "beneficiary
of" and <br>
"benefit of".<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p>And in that quotation is a definition of the word. A
beneficiary is a person or thing that receives a benefit.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>Qu'vaD lI' De'vam</b><i> This information is useful for
the mission.</i> The mission receives the benefit of the
information's usefulness.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>SoSDajvaD HaDqu' be'Hom</b><i> The girl studies hard for
her mother.</i> The mother receives the benefit of knowing
the girl is trying to do well in her studies.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>qama'vaD taj nob 'avwI'</b><i> The guard gives the
prisoner a knife.</i> The prisoner receives the benefit of
possessing an object. This particular use also maps onto the
concept of indirect object, and is described in the addendum
to TKD as thus.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
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