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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/29/2021 8:19 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">God saideth in the holy scripture of tkd:
-----words of god starteth-----
It was earlier thought that all adverbials (except {neH} <only>) come
at the beginning of the sentence. This is frequently the case, but
what is really going on is that the adverbial precedes the
object-verb-subject construction. It is possible for an element of
another type to precede the adverb. Most commonly, this is a time
element (a noun or phrase meaning <today, at six o'clock,> etc.).
{DaHjaj nom Soppu'} <Today they ate quickly>
-----words of god endeth-----
And perhaps because of this tkd quote, we place time stamps at the
beginning of the sentence, i.e. before any of the adverbs. But this
creates the "problem" of where to place an adverb which has a "time
stamp" flavor such as {ghIq}/{ngugh}. In the tkd example god used the
{nom}, and there's nothing "off" in saying "today they ate quickly",
or "today quickly they ate".
But what if we wanted to say "On Monday we acquired the ship, and then
on Tuesday the war started"?
The logical thing to write is {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu', 'ej ghIq povjaj
taghpu' noH}; but this creates the problem of placing the adverb
before the time stamp.
Seemingly/apparently we need to write {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu', 'ej povjaj
ghIq taghpu' noH}; but there's something ugly in hearing "and on
Tuesday, then the war started".
So there are two options..
Option A: Flush the words of god down the toilet, thus writing {ghIq
povjaj taghpu' noH}.
Option B: Placing a parenthetical time stamp in the following way:
{ghIq -povjaj- taghpu' noH}.
Of course someone can say that using the {ghIq} is redundant to begin
with, and there's no problem with just saying {DaSjaj Duj wISuqpu',
'ej povjaj taghpu' noH}.
But the problem (ok, <b class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>my<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b> problem), isn't how to express the desired
meaning; it's rather finding out the order in which one should place
time stamps and "time adverbs" together.</pre>
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<p>Your trouble comes about because in English (I dunno about Greek)
<i>then</i> can be used as a coordinating conjunction when it
means <i>next.</i> The phrase <i>and then</i> is basically a
conjunction, so you want to put it before anything else.</p>
<p>But in Klingon. <b>ghIq</b> is an adverbial, not a conjunction,
so you mustn't expect it to obey the grammar of English <i>and
then.</i></p>
<p>If you think about <b>ghIq</b> as meaning "the thing that
happened next was that," then you should find no problem imagining
a time expression before it. <b>povjaj ghIq taghpu' noH</b><i> On
Tuesday, the thing that happened next was that the war started.</i></p>
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