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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/27/2021 8:05 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">Suppose we want to say:</div>
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<div dir="auto">"In order that something doesn't move the
glass, so that the coffee inside won't spill, a special
base can be used".</div>
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One option is to write:
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<div dir="auto">HIvje' vIHmoHbe'lu'meH, 'ej qa'vIn
Qoy'moHbe'lu'meH, ngaDmoHwI' le' lo'lu'.</div>
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<div dir="auto">But I wonder.. Couldn't we use {vaj} instead
of {'ej}?</div>
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<div dir="auto">HIvje' vIHmoHbe'lu'meH, vaj qa'vIn
Qoy'moHbe'lu'meH, ngaDmoHwI' le' lo'lu'.</div>
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<div dir="auto">In the first option the exact meaning is
"... and in order that the coffee doesn't spill", while on
the second option the meaning is "... so that the coffee
doesn't spill".</div>
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<div dir="auto">Granted, not much of a difference either
way, but I wonder if there could be any argument against
"joining" {-meH} clauses with {vaj}.</div>
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<p>Only the argument that <b>vaj</b> is not a conjunction. The
second phrase you wrote isn't <i>so that the coffee doesn't
spill;</i> it's <i>so that in order that the coffee doesn't
spill.</i> It's a bit convoluted.</p>
<p>I think this comes from your liberal splicing of parenthetical
phrases in the middle of sentences. If understood as a
parenthetical phrase, it makes sense, though TKD doesn't offer any
rules for parenthetical phrases and canonical examples of them are
hard to come by.</p>
<p>I might split this into two sentences.</p>
<p><b>HIvje' vIHmoHbe'lu'meH, ngaDmoHwI' le' lo'lu'. Qoy' qa'vIn 'e'
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</b><i>In order for the glass not to move, a special stabilizer is
used. It prevents the coffee from spilling.</i><br>
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