<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Okay, first, I have issues with this transliteration of “thalaron”, since Klingon lacks the consonant cluster “th”. More likely, it would be transliterated {tlheylaran} or something close to that. It’s not in the current lexicon, so we can’t be sure of the spelling. A Klingon couldn’t pronounce “thalaron” unless he had studied other languages, any more than an average English speaker could pronounce {Qu’vatlh}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Second, since you must be speaking from the future Trek Universe where thalaron and Remans exist In THAT Universe, your message might be read by a Reman, for whom the weapon isn’t alien. If the listener isn’t Reman and hears you say it’s a Reman weapon, of course, it’s an alien weapon, right? Why state the obvious? Why be so redundant?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s like saying that “prendre” is a foreign word, especially French.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, I’d suggest:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">HIvmeH tlhoS tlhalaron woj lo’ rIymuSnganpu’ neH.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Or perhaps:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">nuH lo’meH tlhoS tlheylaran woj wIv rIymuSnganpu’ neH.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Or:<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">tlhoy Qobmo’ tlheylaran woj, lo'Qo’ HochHom, ‘ach HIghqangchu’mo ‘ej’ batlhHa’qangmo’ le’ rIymuSnganpu’.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meanwhile, going back to the original, I think this is a weird use of the English word “especially”. “Thalaron is an alien weapon, especially of the Remans,” sounds like it might more naturally be expressed as “Thalaron is a specialty weapon of the Remans."</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I think of “especially” more often in sentences like “Klingons are an especially fierce race,” or “Thalaron is especially dangerous.”</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For that, I think more along the lines of {tlhInganpu’ qu’ law’ Hoch qu’ puS} or {tlheylaran Qob law’ Hoch Qob puS}. In other words “especially” suggests “uniquely” or “to an extreme degree that is unique’. It’s special because it is extreme.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 14, 2021, at 10:03 AM, Steven Boozer <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" class="">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta charset="UTF-8" class=""><div class="WordSection1" style="page: WordSection1; caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">This is especially <g> tricky:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e'; lulo’qu’ rIymuSnganpu’.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> Thalaron radiation is an alien weapon; the Remans use<br class=""> it a lot.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">I was tempted to tag {rIymuSnganpu’} with {-‘e’}, but I felt using it twice in one sentence was confusing. You could break it into two sentences however:<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e'. pIj (nuHvam) lulo’ rIymuSnganpu’’e’.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> Thalaron radiation is an alien weapon. The Remans use it (this<br class=""> weapon) frequently.<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> (or, As for the Remans, they use it (this weapon) frequently.)<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">__<br class="">Voragh<o:p class=""></o:p></span></div><div style="margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;" class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><o:p class=""> </o:p></span></div><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><b class=""><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class="">From:</span></b><span style="font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif;" class=""><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>mayqel qunen'oS<br class=""><b class="">Sent:</b><span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span>Thursday, October 14, 2021 8:27 AM<o:p class=""></o:p></span></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Something which I wondered some time ago, was how to express "especially".<o:p class=""></o:p></p><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>"thalaron radiation is an alien weapon, especially of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">R</span>emans"<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">One way to approach this is by writing in detail what "especially of the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">R</span>emans" actually means. For example "used mainly by the<span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">R</span>emans", "mostly developed by the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">R</span>emans", "having been made known by the<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class="">R</span>emans", etc..<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">On the other hand, perhaps we could avoid going from New York to Los Angeles through Chile, by simply writing:<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><span style="color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""> <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></span>nov nuH 'oH thalaron woj'e', 'ej rIymuSngan nuH 'oHchu'.<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 4pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;"><o:p class=""> </o:p></p></div><div class=""><p class="MsoNormal" style="margin: 0in 0in 12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: "Times New Roman", serif;">Of course, if anyone has a better idea, then qeylIS knows, I'd love to hear it.<o:p class=""></o:p></p></div></div></div><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">_______________________________________________</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list</span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a></span><br style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;" class=""><span style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; float: none; display: inline !important;" class=""><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a></span></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>