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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/6/2021 7:59 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
wrote:<br>
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<div dir="auto">Suppose I write:</div>
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<div dir="auto">< Duv > jatlhpu' 'e' DaSov</div>
<div dir="auto">you know that he said "advance"</div>
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<div dir="auto">Since there's no rule prohibiting placing a
quotation before the {'e'} of a sao (as long as the verb after
the {'e'} isn't a verb of speech), seemingly/apparently this
sentence would be correct.</div>
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<p>Be careful. What you're doing isn't placing a quotation before
the <b>'e';</b> you're treating a sentence-as-object construction
(the verb of saying and its quotation) as the first sentence of
another sentence-as-object construction. You're nesting SAOs.</p>
<p>The structure is not this:</p>
<p><quote> < <jatlhpu'> 'e' DaSov></p>
<p>The structure is this:</p>
<p>< <quote> jatlhpu' > <'e' DaSov><br>
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<p>You could also say it like this:</p>
<p>< jatlhpu' <quote> > <'e' DaSov></p>
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<div dir="auto">So, similarly, wouldn't the following be correct
too?</div>
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<div dir="auto">< HeD > jatlhpu'; < HIv > jatlhpu' 'e'
qa'</div>
<div dir="auto">instead of saying "attack" he said "retreat"</div>
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<p>Yes, I would accept that. The fact that the "replacement" is a
sentence-as-object instead of a basic sentence appears to be of no
import.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Of course, one could argue that the {'e'} of the
{'e' qa'} isn't the "classic" {'e'} of a sao, but if that's the
case, then even better, right?</div>
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<p>It <i>is</i> the classic <b>'e'</b> of an SAO. When you're
saying</p>
<p><sentence1>; <sentence2> 'e' qa'</p>
<p>You need the <b>'e', </b>because it literally means <i>it
replaces that <sentence2>.</i> It's only when you're <i>instead</i>-ing
noun phrases that <b>'e'</b> is not required.</p>
<p><b>'awje' vItlhutlh; HIq qa'<br>
'awje' vItlhutlh; HIq 'e' qa'<br>
</b><i>I drink root beer instead of alcohol.</i></p>
<p>Technically, the <b>'e'</b> in the above sentence is
ungrammatical, but Klingons may say it anyway. But when dealing
with full sentences, the <b>'e'</b> is required and is the same
old <b>'e'</b> we've always known.</p>
<p><b>jIQam; jIba' 'e' qa'<br>
</b><i>I stand instead of sitting.</i></p>
<p>This is literally <i>I stand; it replaces that I sit.</i> You
cannot say <b>jIQam; jIba' qa',</b> because the object of <b>qa'</b>
<i>replace </i>cannot directly be a sentence. You need the
pronoun to stand in for it.<br>
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