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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">It’s possible but not common. In fact, I could find only one example where Okrand used {-lu} with either {-‘egh} or {-chuq} on the same verb:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> potlhbe'chugh yay qatlh pe''eghlu'?
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Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>André Müller<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">One cannot use {-'egh} with a verb that is intransitive, except when adding another suffix like {-moH}. Especially stative verbs don't work alone with {'-egh}. You can perform an action unto yourself, or many
people can perform an action unto each other. So it does break a direct rule, and doesn't make sense semantically. It's like *{Qong'egh} or *{Qongchuq}.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Quchlu' = someone is happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">*Quch'egh = she is happy *oneself; they are happy *themselves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">*Quch'eghlu' = someone is happy *oneself<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">*Quchchuq = they are happy *each other<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">*Quchchuqlu' = some people are happy *each other<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">The asterisk marks the ungrammaticality here.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">But with {-moH} it works just fine. For brevity I just pick one translation per line (using she/her), but of course a zero prefix can mean many things:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">QuchmoH = she makes her happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">QuchmoHlu' = someone makes her happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Quch'eghmoH = she makes herself happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">QuchchuqmoH = they make themselves happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Quch'eghmoHlu' = someone makes themself/themselves happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">QuchchuqmoHlu' = some people make each other happy<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Now with a fully transitive verb such as {legh} everything would work:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">legh = she sees (her)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">leghlu' = someone sees her<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">legh'egh = she sees herself<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">leghchuq = they see themselves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">legh'eghlu' = someone sees themself<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">leghchuqlu' = some people see themselves<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">(etc.)<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Am Di., 14. Sept. 2021 um 14:20 Uhr schrieb mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>>:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">Is there anything strange in using {-'egh}/{-chuq} with {-lu'}?<o:p></o:p></p>
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Quch'eghlu'<o:p></o:p></p>
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QuchchuqmoHlu'<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">I don't see anything grammatically wrong, but using {-'egh}/{-chuq} with {-lu'}, gives me the feeling as in using {-lu'} with {-wI'} (e.g. HIvlu'wI'), which although it doesn't break any rules, it's something
we don't actually use.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">~ Dana'an<o:p></o:p></p>
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