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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 8/24/2021 9:18 PM, Will Martin
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cite="mid:395C8B0B-0444-4C30-BAAB-7902A68210F9@mac.com">I thought
I remembered initial examples of lutu’lu’ and later examples of
tu’lu’ later where lutu’lu’ would have been called for, and when
that was pointed out, it just became tu’lu’ by convention, but
it’s a very old memory, and I’m not one of the wizards of canon.</blockquote>
<p>I don't think <b>lutu'lu'</b> had been used in a canonical
sentence, but Okrand has addressed it.</p>
<p>First, after qep'a' loSDIch, ghunchu'wI' reported that "Robyn
Stewart's idea of <b>lutu'lu'</b> as the Klingon version of <i>whom</i>
got a nod and an explicit lack of contradiction [from Okrand]. <b>naDev
tlhInganpu' lutu'lu'</b> is grammatical, but the <b>lu-</b> is
more often left off." (Voragh sent this to the list 12 July 1998.)<br>
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<p>In 2014, Okrand gave us most of the rest of the information we
needed. See the message here: <a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="http://klingon.wiki/En/ThereIs">http://klingon.wiki/En/ThereIs</a> .
Instead of <i>who/whom,</i> he compares <b>tu'lu'</b> without <b>lu-</b>
to <i>there's</i> referring to plural things that are there. This
seems to me a closer comparison, since most people would not think
your speech stilted if you say <i>there are things</i> instead of
<i>there's things.</i><br>
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