<div dir="auto">SuStel:<br>
> The rule is stated in TKD: "Similarly, with verbs of saying (say, tell, ask, etc.),<br>
> 'e' and net are not used. The two phrases simply follow one another, in either order."<br>
<br>Ok, wait. Does that rule concern too cases, where the purpose of the speaker isn't to actually quote something?<br>
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I knew that we can't quote things with the {'e'} of a sao; and because of this reason, in my initial post I wrote:<br>
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{< nucholpu' jaghpu' > jIjatlhpu' HoDvaD 'e' yIjatlh}<br>
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I didn't write:<br>
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{jIjatlhpu' < nucholpu' jaghpu' > HoDvaD 'e' yIjatlh}<br>
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And intentionally I didn't write it this way, because if I wrote it this way, then in the sao, the object would be the quotation indeed. And this shows where my confusion is:<br>
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When we say "quotation" what do we actually mean? The way I understand it, if there's: {yaDDa yaDDa yaDDa, jIjatlhpu'}, then the quotation is *only* the {yaDDa yaDDa yaDDa}. The quotation isn't the {jIjatlhpu'} (which I don't know what it actually is..).<br>
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So, in the {< nucholpu' jaghpu' > jIjatlhpu' HoDvaD 'e' yIjatlh}, no rules are broken, because the object of the sao isn't the quotation, but only the {jIjatlhpu'}.<br>
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Look at it another way..<br>
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Q waved his hand and an officer was rendered unable to talk for a period of time; then Q's power wears off, and the officer starts speaking again. So, he says to another member of the crew:<br>
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jIjatlhqa'pu' HoDvaD 'e' yIja'<br>
tell to the captain that I've spoken again<br>
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There's no quotation here. There are no words to be repeated for the captain. Similarly, in the {< nucholpu' jaghpu' > jIjatlhpu' HoDvaD 'e' yIjatlh}, the object is the {jIjatlhpu'} and the < nucholpu' jaghpu' > is something which happily just happens to sit by, away from the {'e'}.<br>
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So we're all happy, yes?<br>
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~ Dana'an</div>