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<div>> So maybe that has a different name in English,<br>
> possible. I don't know. I guess Maltz also does<br>
> not know.<br>
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I'm assuming that this word isn't well-known among Klingons, so that one would have to provide some explanation of what one means when communicating with a general audience.<br>
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Among those Klingons who do know what it is, their understanding would probably vary depending on how they were introduced to the term.<br>
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For our purposes, I suppose the safest gloss to go with is whatever was used when posing the question to Okrand.<br>
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//loghaD<br>
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<b>Sent:</b> Saturday, July 3, 2021 3:03:48 PM<br>
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<div class="PlainText">To my previous email of below, I must make some addition after speaking<br>
to the requester of this word for shawn.<br>
<br>
Th point is, like Will said, a shawn is a medieval wood blow instrument.<br>
The thing that Okrand plays in the mentioned video is not such an<br>
instrument, it's one technically called "Martins-trumpet", but due to<br>
its similar sound of a shawn, everybody in Germany calls it a shawn.<br>
This usage has become so common that nobody would call it incorrect.<br>
<br>
So important for us Klingonists is to know that indeed {Sam} is "shawm"<br>
and in first place refers to that medieval instrument, but it can also,<br>
in addition, be used for the "martin's trumpet" (which everybody calls a<br>
shawn in Germany).<br>
<br>
> Am 30.06.2021 um 00:15 schrieb Will Martin:<br>
>> FWI, that thing might be a {Sam}, but it is NOT a shawm. They didn’t<br>
>> have valves in Medieval and Renaissance times, and a shawm had ONE bell,<br>
>> not one for each note, and a shawm is a wooden instrument, not a metal<br>
>> one.<br>
<br>
Am 03.07.2021 um 14:40 schrieb Lieven L. Litaer:<br>
<br>
> BUT... The thing that Okrand is playing here really is *some kind of*<br>
> shawm.<br>
><br>
> I am not an expert, but I'll try to explain: The German word for shawm<br>
> is Schalmei, and that originally referred to what you desscribed, the<br>
> mideval thing made of wood with only one pipe. But over time, that<br>
> device developped, was combined with more pipes and was made of metal.<br>
><br>
> So maybe that has a different name in English, possible. I don't know. I<br>
> guess Maltz also does not know.<br>
><br>
> But anyhow: This device we see here is no doubt called "Schalmei" in<br>
> German, the English word we found for it is "shawm" and Maltz just<br>
> called it {Sam}.<br>
><br>
> So whatever you call that device Okrand plays in the video, Maltz calls<br>
> it {Sam}.<br>
><br>
> (And honestly, I'm curious to find out what it's called in English).<br>
><br>
> --<br>
> Lieven L. Litaer<br>
> aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br>
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