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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Although they don’t really add to SuStel’s explanation, here are more examples of {nI’} "be long, lengthy (duration)" FYI:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> nI' DaHjaj
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Today is long. (st.k 6/29/1997)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> nI'be' yInmaj 'ach wovqu'
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Our lives burn short and bright. (Anthem)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Qobbogh may' nI'
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> long and dangerous battle (PB) [Does anyone have the full verse + translation?]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">When wondering about verbs, also check how the antonym (if any) is used. Examples of {ngaj} “be short (in duration)” :<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> ngaj ram
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> the night is short (KGT)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> DaHjaj ngab wa' rep. ngajmo' jajvam, nom bIlopnIS
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> [untranslated] (MO to Lieven regarding Daylight Savings Time, 3/29/2015)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 7/1/2021 8:16 AM, mayqel qunen'oS wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">There's the verb {nI'} "be long, lengthy (duration)"; so the question is "what does it take as a subject"?
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<p class="MsoNormal">A little bird told me, that there's the paq'batlh example of {Qobbogh may' nI' jun}, which shows that the {nI'} *can* take an event as a subject.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">So, so far so good.. But this led me to wonder.. Could the verb {nI'} take as a subject the noun {poH}?
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<p>Yes, it absolutely can, because it has been used adjectivally: <b>poH nI'</b><i> long time</i> (KGT).<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It has been used other times:<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>yIn nI' yISIQ 'ej yIchep</b><i> Live long and prosper</i> (Radio Times)<br>
A <b>yIn</b> is neither an event nor a time period.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p><b>nI' jajvam</b><i> This day is long.</i> (<a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__http:/klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt__;!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!pS2WyX5zGRLu3QXYSgOQTYwBiqVy9XKf2mC-Tp9QzsQVrQqTW10izAco-Vqm9_ovf04$">klingonska.org/canon/1997-06-29d-news.txt</a>)<br>
<b>nI' ram</b><i> <span style="color:#1F497D"> </span>The night is long.</i> (KGT)<br>
A day or a night might be an event or a time period, depending on how you look at it.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>It seems clear to me that anything that might exist over a long duration, including time itself, can be described as
<b>nI'.</b><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal">And if yes, then what would be the difference between {poH nI'} and {poH vItlh}?<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p><b>vItlh</b> is a very general verb that could be talking about the quantity or intensity of anything measurable;
<b>nI'</b> is specifically about duration only. Your question is like asking what the difference is between a
<i>long time</i> and a <i>great amount of time.</i> The latter only gets at its point indirectly.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
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