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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/23/2021 7:47 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">SuStel:
<div dir="auto">> <b>nIbe'HalmoH</b> also seems a poor</div>
<div dir="auto">> substitute for <i>fail you.</i> Maybe <b>reH
luj</b></div>
<div dir="auto"><b>> DuboQbogh nuv</b><i> people who assist
you</i></div>
<div dir="auto"><i>> will always fail.</i> Or maybe he's
saying the</div>
<div dir="auto">> strength of others will always fail you:</div>
<div dir="auto">> <b>reH SoHvaD luj latlh HoS</b><i> the
strength of</i></div>
<div dir="auto"><i>> others will always fail for you.</i></div>
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<div dir="auto">I didn't like the {belHa'} too.. But when I
thought of using the {luj} I wondered whether its' "fail"
meaning is of the "not win" kind, or of the "I failed you"
kind. I didn't know the answer, so I went with the inferior
- for the occasion - {belHa'}.</div>
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<p><a href="http://klingonska.org/canon/1993-12-holqed-02-4.txt">klingonska.org/canon/1993-12-holqed-02-4.txt</a></p>
<p>"The opposite notion [of <b>Qap,</b> meaning both <i>win</i>
and <i>function</i>], 'lose,' is commonly <b>luj,</b> also
meaning 'fail.'"<br>
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<p><b>luj</b> means both of these things. <b>Qap</b> means both <i>win</i>
and <i>function,</i> because, we are told, "To a Klingon, to win
is to function perfectly." <b>luj</b> is the opposite of <b>Qap.</b><br>
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<div dir="auto">jIH:</div>
<div dir="auto">> juppu', qorDu', latlh negh.. tagha' nIteb</div>
<div dir="auto">> SIQnIS nuv.</div>
<div dir="auto">SuStel:</div>
<div dir="auto">> I'd go with <b>tagha' nIteb SIQnIS Hoch
nuv</b></div>
<div dir="auto"><i>> </i><i>In the end, each person must
endure alone</i></div>
<div dir="auto">> or <b>tagha' nIteb SIQnIS nuv tlhIn</b><i>
In the</i></div>
<div dir="auto"><i>> end, an individual person must endure</i></div>
<div dir="auto"><i>> alone.</i></div>
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<div dir="auto">You're right on using {Hoch nuv}! I forgot to
double-check with the original, so I didn't see the "each
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<div dir="auto">But your suggestion of {nuv tlhIn} confuses
me; this use of the verb {tlhIn} seems strange. Reading {nuv
tlhIn} gives me the impression that there are many people,
and we're talking about someone who is
"attributable/particularly associated with
something/someone".</div>
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<p>It may not have been the best idea. Disregard that suggestion.<br>
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