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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/18/2021 9:45 AM,
<a class="moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href="mailto:luis.chaparro@web.de">luis.chaparro@web.de</a> wrote:<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">DoyIchlanDaq tagha' loQ QaQ muD Dotlh 'ej Hur wItIvlaH. 'ach jImejpa' tlhIngan HolwIj vIqeq vIneH. ghojmeH pov meq motlh luSovlu'bogh. vaj *flamenco* meHghem vIrIch vIneH.
vatlh DIS poH wa'maH Hut *Andalusia*Daq chenpu' *flamenco*, 'ach mungDaj Sovlu'chu'be'. nger law' tu'lu'. meHghemvam luSIghlaw'pu' nugh pIm. wa' nugh potlh 'oHbejpu' *Romani* nugh'e'.
muchwI'pu', mI'wI'pu', bomwI'pu' je much 'oH *flamenco*'e'. mIw yItlh pabbe'bogh meHghem nong'e' 'oH.</pre>
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<p>Stylistic note: why not say <b>nong meHghem 'ej mIw yItlh
pabbe'?</b> Klingon is always better when you use basic
sentences instead of copulas. If you find you're using copulas
with noun phrases that include verb modifiers or relative clauses,
you're probably thinking in English, or at least translating too
literally.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> Dujmey 'agh, le'yo' 'agh.</pre>
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<p>Do you mean <b>Duj</b><i> instincts</i> here? Don't put <b>-mey</b>
on it; it's already plural. <b>Dujmey</b> probably means only <i>ships.</i><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap=""> *flamenco* much lubej tlhIngan net jalchugh, chaq luparHa'.
As usual, I would appreciate any help / correction in order to improve my Klingon. I also have two questions:
1. Regarding my first sentence: Is the word order right? I've found this structure in some posts of this email list and on the Klingon Wiki:
question word - timestamp - noun phrase + Type 5 suffix - adverbial - O - V - S
But as I understand it, TKD is not very clear about this. Does that structure base on canonical sources? And what about having several adverbials or noun phrases + Type 5 suffix together?</pre>
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<p>Time expressions come first. See the TKD Addendum, section 6.7.
But I wouldn't hold it to be completely inviolate, especially
since several adverbials are themselves time expressions.</p>
<p>So far as we can tell from canon, adverbials, non-pronomial
question words, and syntactic noun phrases appear to all go in the
space between time expressions and the object. Separate types of
word do not appear to have any set order in that space. In my
opinion, adverbials have a tendency to come before syntactic noun
phrases, and non-pronomial question words have a tendency to come
before adverbials, but that's only a hunch of a tendency, not a
rule.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">2. If I want to connect two relative clauses which refer to the same noun, I use *'ej*, but if I want to connect two different nouns each one having a relative clause attached to, then I should use *je*, right? E.g.: *ngeDbogh meq motlh 'ej Dajbogh*, *meq motlh luSovlu'bogh ngeDbogh qechmey Daj je*. By the way: is it allowed to use a noun with a relative clause as part of a noun-noun-construction (eventually using *-'e'* if necessary)?
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<p>If you want to separate nouns to have the same relative clause,
you need to repeat the relative clause and/or conjoin the nouns.
So far as I can tell, <b>meq motlh luSovlu'bogh ngeDbogh qechmey
Daj je</b> means <i>known usual reasons and interesting ideas
that are easy.</i> I'm not even sure which relative clause
you're trying to attach two noun phrases to.</p>
<p>If you want to, say, describe a ship and a person who are both
fleeing, you could say <b>Haw'bogh Duj, ghot je,</b> or you could
say <b>Haw'bogh Duj, Haw'bogh ghot je.</b><br>
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