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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/25/2021 10:50 AM, SuStel wrote:<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/25/2021 10:32 AM, Will Martin
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cite="mid:22412F4F-C0ED-4926-82A6-68F8EA911BCF@mac.com">Of
course, we feel different about our word “weather” than we feel
about the term “atmosphere status”, but since Klingon doesn’t
have a word for “weather”, maybe they feel exactly the same
about the phrase {muD Dotlh} as we feel about our word
“weather”.</blockquote>
<p>If they do, then it's an idiom we can't recreate through pure
analysis. We use the noun <i>weather</i> in a couple of
different senses: the collection of wind, water, visibility, and
temperature in the atmosphere ("The bad weather wrecked the
boat"); the current state of the atmosphere due to all those
factors ("The weather isn't looking good for flying today"); and
the reporting on this state ("And now on to the weather"). Taken
literally, the Klingon <b>muD Dotlh</b> is only the second of
these: the state of the atmosphere due to the effects of wind,
water, etc.</p>
<p>Now, one could say that Zeus is the god of the state of the
atmosphere, and that wouldn't be inaccurate, but when one says
Zeus is a god of the weather, I think one is really referring to
the first of the senses I mentioned: he commands the wind,
water, visibility, temperature, and so on in the sky. Those
things aren't the <b>muD Dotlh,</b> though together they can
change the <b>muD Dotlh.</b></p>
<p>In other words, if my boat is being tossed about on the waves,
it's not because the <i>status</i> of the atmosphere is tossing
it about; it's because the physical phenomena of wind and water
in the sky are tossing it about. In English, we use the word <i>weather</i>
for both of these things; in Klingon, it appears to me that <b>muD
Dotlh</b> is specifically the former, the status of the
atmosphere, and we don't seem to have a single term to refer
specifically to the collection of physical phenomena.</p>
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<p>Or to put it another, another way, if you ordered me to <b>QuQ
Dotlh ja'</b><i> Report engine status!</i> I might reply, <b>tujqu'
QuQ</b><i> The engine is overheating.</i> I would NOT say <b>tujqu'
QuQ Dotlh</b><i> The engine status is overheating.</i> If you
ordered me to <b>muD Dotlh ja'</b><i> Report atmosphere status!</i>
I might reply <b>SuS 'ej SIS</b><i> It's windy and rainy.</i> I
would not reply <b>SuS muD Dotlh 'ej SIS</b><i> The atmosphere
status is blowing and raining.</i><br>
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