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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 13, 2021, at 12:32 PM, Lieven L. Litaer <<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" class="">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">Am 13.04.2021 um 16:33 schrieb De'vID:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">so-and-so as well as "lady" so-and-so, and thus the definition was<br class="">expanded. The sexism in the vocabulary, if it's there, was accidental.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">And still, the sexism is in the English translation, not Klingon.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">Similarly, we have only heard about Klingon emperors on the TV shows and<br class="">movies. (Are there any screen canon Klingon empresses? Maybe we missed<br class="">an opportunity with L'Rell.) Undoubtedly, were a Star Trek writer to<br class="">mention a Klingon empress on the show, Dr. Okrand would reveal that<br class="">{voDleH}/{ta'} could also mean "empress", or alternatively reveal the<br class="">correct Klingon term for this title.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Okrand had a good chance in ST6, when Azetbur took over the role of her<br class="">father, chancellor Gorkon. In the scene, she was addressed as "madame<br class="">chancellor".<br class=""><br class="">The new word {Qang} for "chancellor" appeared in the addendum of TKD,<br class="">which means it was discovered for Star Trek 6.<br class=""><br class="">Of course, we can still not know if Okrand was aware of the ending of<br class="">the movie, maybe not knowing that there was a female version of<br class="">chancellor needed. But he translated a dialogue for a scene wit that<br class="">female chancellor, and the script was very clear. Unfortunately, the<br class="">word Chancellor did not appear in the translation.<br class=""><br class="">Of course, this is about chancellor, not empereror.<br class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">{voDleH}/{ta'} is gender-neutral like {joH}, although, given the absence<br class="">of other gendered nouns and titles in the vocabulary, this seems likely.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">I think so, too. Also remember that {ghaH} and {chaH} are gender-neutral.<br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Lieven L. Litaer<br class="">see<br class=""><a href="http://klingon.wiki/En/ST6" class="">http://klingon.wiki/En/ST6</a><br class="">http://klingon.wiki/En/Gender<br class="">http://klingon.wiki/Word/Qang<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org<br class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>