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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/16/2021 10:39 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 at 16:18,
SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name"
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<div>I think you're both assuming too much. You're assuming
the expression cannot be analyzed in the normal way.
De'vID is assuming that the English translation accurately
reflects the meaning of the Klingon proverb. I don't think
either position is clearly supportable. The Klingon
sentence is odd, the English translation is odd, and no
Klingon has explained it further.</div>
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<div>I'll readily admit that I don't know what the English
translation actually means. But I think *some* interpretation of
the English translation has to accurately reflect the meaning of
the Klingon proverb (assuming Dr. Okrand didn't completely mess
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<div>There's no reason to believe that the *grammar* of
Replacement Proverbs is any different than normal sentences, is
there? (Contrast this with toasts, for which we're told
explicitly that they follow different grammatical rules.) </div>
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<p>I see no reason why the grammar of replacement proverbs would be
any different than normal sentences. I'm not the one arguing that.
I'm just not assuming that the English translation is necessarily
all that close to the meaning of the Klingon.</p>
<p>Okrand often translates loosely, especially on the two language
tapes. I think some examination of sticky sentences like this is
warranted, but we should not rely too heavily on the English
translation to tell us exactly what's happening when we encounter
strange grammar. Especially when the grammar comes from the
language tapes, which are riddled with errors. In the real world,
this may just have been a bad English-to-Klingon translation.<br>
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<p>Sometimes it's enough to say, "Hmm, isn't that interesting?" and
move on. I think this is one of those times.<br>
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