<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">In the canon example {qIbDaq SuvwI’’e’ SoH Dun law’ Hoch Dun puS}: </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The suffix {-‘e’} lets you know that everything being said happens with the filter that you are talking about warriors in the galaxy. That is what extends the comparison to both sides of the comparison.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">As for warriors in the galaxy, you are the most wonderful. Maybe there are more wonderful warriors somewhere else, but the bounds of this comparison falls within the topic of the whole sentence, which is warriors in the galaxy.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">This is not grammatically similar to {reH latlh qabDaq qul tuj law’ Hoch tuj puS}, since there is no {-‘e’} but I’d argue that it would be normal to interpret the locative to apply to the entire comparison. My reasoning is that the normal comparative is dirt simple:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">X [adjectival] law’, Y [adjectival] puS. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The superlative is similar, replacing X or Y with {Hoch}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There are extensions of this grammatical construction, but each one of them is a little bit special. The best exceptions are the least special, requiring the least mental stretching to interpret.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">The simplest is to preface the entire comparison, as in the two examples considered up to this point:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Context for the comparison that would appear at the beginning of a normal sentence] [Comparison].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Slightly more special would be:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Context for the first side of the comparison] [First side of the comparison] [Context for the second side of the comparison] [Second side of the comparison].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It’s okay to have a sentence that is that second degree of special, but it’s not really so common that it is sufficiently anticipated that if there is no second context given, one would assume that the context applied only to the first half.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Consider:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">{juHlIjDaq SoH Sub law’, juHDajDaq SoH Sub puS.}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">You are bolder at your house than you are at his house.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If I just said:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">{juHlIjDaq SoH Sub law’ ghaH Sub puS}.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">At your house, you are bolder than he is.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Why would you expect this example to mean “You are bolder in your house than he is [perhaps even outside of your house],”? The context of the comparison is “in your house”.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">There is no reason to anticipate an omitted context for the second half of the comparison. For that, I would have said:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">{juHlIjDaq SoH Sub law’ Dat ghaH Sub puS.}</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If you give one scope, that stretches to the whole comparison. If you give a second scope, then the context has significant meaning for the comparison, because it’s really the two contexts that are being compared.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Does this make sense to you?</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Feb 10, 2021, at 7:10 AM, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com" class="">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><br class=""></div><br class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Wed, 10 Feb 2021 at 11:38, Will Martin <<a href="mailto:willmartin2@mac.com" class="">willmartin2@mac.com</a>> wrote:<br class=""></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="auto" class="">Perhaps a better translation for you would be, “The hottest fire is on someone else’s face.” Don’t try to logically figure out what {Hoch} is doing. It’s just the idiom Klingon uses to express a superlative. </div>
</blockquote></div><div class=""><br class=""></div>Yes, but the issue is: what is the scope of the superlative? In {reH latlh qabDaq qul tuj law' Hoch tuj puS}, if {latlh qabDaq} applies to the entire comparison that follows (i.e., the superlative is within its scope), then what the sentence says is "On someone else's face, the fire is the hottest (hotter than anyone else on their face)." The intended meaning seems to be, "The fire on someone else's face is the hottest (than everything, including the fire on your face or my face)". That is, the {latlh qabDaq} seems to be modifying not the entire comparison, but only the first part of it. Compare this to {qIbDaq SuvwI''e' SoH Dun law' Hoch Dun puS}, where the {qIbDaq SuvwI''e'} applies to the entire comparison.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class=""><div class="">It's a similar thing to {Qam[taH]vIS Hegh qaq law' tor[taH]vIS yIn qaq puS}. The {Qam[taH]vIS} applies to the first half, and the {tor[taH]vIS} applies to the second half. There seems to be some unexplained grammar that allows the verb of quality in each half of the comparison to be modified independently.<br class=""><div class=""><div class=""><br class=""></div>-- <br class=""><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div></div></div></div>
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