<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">[Head smack!]<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">vabDot! I totally ignored {vabDot}. My bad. I actually typed it while ignoring it.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[sigh]</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:24 PM, Will Martin <<a href="mailto:willmartin2@mac.com" class="">willmartin2@mac.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8" class=""><div style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">I love the way we dig ever deeper into any given topic. Going back to the Latin. YESSSSS!</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I like the translation, but it loses the bit about EVEN when they bear gifts. It sounds like you only fear them when they bear gifts. So… consider:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">vabDot nob qemchugh ‘elaDya’ngan, mughIjHa’be’ ‘elaDya'nganvetlh.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div class=""><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Nov 10, 2020, at 12:11 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/10/2020 11:44 AM, SuStel wrote:<br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:6eac373a-58cd-be91-3889-de6d4d70345d@trimboli.name" class="">On
11/10/2020 11:35 AM, Lieven L. Litaer wrote:
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">And for the topic, don't forget TKW, p.
189:
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{nobmey qembogh yIrIDnganpu''e' yIvoqQo'.}
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"Don't trust Yridians who bring gifts."
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Which uses the -'e' suffix to avoid ambiguity, but does a prefix
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nob qembogh 'elaDya'ngan tIvoqQo'.
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Combining all the best parts.
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</blockquote><p class="">Just found this:
<a class="moz-txt-link-freetext" href="https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes">https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeo_Danaos_et_dona_ferentes</a></p><p class="">The original sentence is in Latin: <i class="">Timeo Danaos et ferentes,</i>
which literally means <i class="">I fear the Danaans [Greeks], even though
bearing gifts</i> or <i class="">even when they bear gifts.</i></p><p class="">A Klingon translation more true to the original (but I won't keep
the ancient name) might be:</p><p class="">mughIj 'elaDya'ngan, vabDot nob qemDI'.<br class="">
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