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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Any other examples where the final /t/ has been “realized as a glottal stop” or just dropped? I quickly skimmed my notes but couldn’t find one.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> Brent Kesler [</span>bI'reng<span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">]<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 19, 2020 9:03 AM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">I don't know if this influenced MO, but in the Midwestern accent, final /t/ is often realized as a glottal stop. So {DItroy'} makes sense to me.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:4.0pt">On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 4:26 PM <span style="color:#1F497D">
Voragh</span> <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">When I saw {DItroy’} I thought Okrand was attempting to render the French pronunciation – sort of!
- or perhaps an odd mix of French and English. <a href="https://urldefense.com/v3/__https:/en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fort_Pontchartrain_du_D**Atroit__;w6k!!BpyFHLRN4TMTrA!uvEu5DXhJHWaOw6Pj8N3-s5pyUzPBSCBKgD1axuqeZtqbz3845VHxs_36anA6HbXTPg$" target="_blank" title="Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit">
Fort Pontchartrain du Détroit</a> was originally a French fort founded in 1701. <br>
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Or not wanting to add an extra vowel he could also have simply dropped the final consonant, such as {'entepray'} Enterprise, {lIHtentay’} Liechtenstein and {‘oSteray’} Österreich. He routinely does this with Terran names ending in –land: {DoyIchlan} Deutschland,
{ne'Derlan} Netherlands, {'Inglan} England, {SIqotlan} Scotland, {nu'SIylan} New Zealand and {‘ISlan} Iceland.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:12.0pt"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> nIqolay Q<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, October 12, 2020 </span><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt">On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 2:23 PM SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" target="_blank">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt">On 10/12/2020 2:04 PM, nIqolay Q wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt">On Mon, Oct 12, 2020 at 10:45 AM Steven Boozer <<a href="mailto:sboozer@uchicago.edu" target="_blank">sboozer@uchicago.edu</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt">Thanks for the source. I was perusing the qep'a' 2020 new words list over the weekend and discovered another one {DItroy'} Detroit.
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;margin-bottom:4.0pt"> <span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Interesting example of using a glottal stop to transliterate a "t" in a syllable that otherwise already ends in a consonant.
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<p>The final <i>t</i> in <i>Detroit</i> is not aspirated the way a Klingon <i>t</i> always is. A glottal stop is actually closer in sound to the unaspirated
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style="font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">Aspiration doesn't seem to play much of a role in transliterations. In the case of "Detroit", you can't just transliterate the final
syllable as <b>-oyt</b>, because -<b>oyt</b> isn't an allowed syllable ending in Klingon phonotactics. Sometimes, Okrand deals with this (consonant after diphthong) by adding another syllable: "Deutsch" (in "Deutschland") ->
<b>*Doych</b> -> <b>DoyIch</b>. But in this case, since <b>'</b> is similar to "t", and
<b>-oy'</b> is an allowed Klingon syllable ending, you can just do that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
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