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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">I completely agree with SuStel’s analysis but I do have a small quibble which I don’t think anyone has mentioned yet (I’ve carelessly deleted the thread). Okrand
seems to have expanded the meaning of {meq} from a simple “reason, motive”:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(TKW 143): Klingons may not care whether a falsehood is intentional, but only whether the information is reliable. As Ambassador Kell admonished Worf, "Motives?
Who cares for motives? Humans, perhaps." (TNG "The Mind's Eye") This attitude is reflected in a proverb: {ram meqmey} "Motives are insignificant".
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> DaH naDev jIHtaHbogh meq Saja'
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Now I will tell you why I am here. (PB)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">… to the more abstract “reasoning, logical thinking”:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(KGT 154): This word [i.e. {mo’}] literally means “cage”, suggesting that one's reasons for accomplishing a particular act are somehow restrictive or confining,
as if preventing escape into other forms of behavior. The slang meaning is no doubt also influenced by the noun suffix {-mo'} (due to, as in {HeSmo'}, “due to the crime”) and verb suffix {-mo'} (“because”, as in {HIvmo'} [“because he/she attacks”]). The
slang term {mo'} is used in sentences such as {jaghpu' mo' wIyajnIS} (“We must understand the enemies' motive”; literally, “We must understand the enemies' cage”). A close standard equivalent is {meq} (“reason”) -- that is, logical thinking.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Note Vulcan philosopher’s T’Plana-Hath’s famous quote “Logic is the cement of our civilization, with which we ascend from chaos using reason as our guide." (ST4
& ENT “The Forge”)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">{meq} also appears in {meqba'} *<b>mek'ba</b>*, a type of Klingon legal proceeding: that portion of a Klingon trial or appeal in which evidence is heard during
which all evidence must be heard in open council (cf. TNG "Sins of the Father").<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">See too the homophonous verb {meq} “reason (TKD)”, i.e. think logically:<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">(qepHom 2017 p.13): For logic, use the verb {meq}. It's a verb that means, among other things, think logically. I think Klingons would use a verb when talking
about types of thinking rather than a noun. For emotions, you can use the verb {tIw}. This means “react emotionally, behave emotionally."
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">The progression seems to go from a (minor) reason/motive to (the more abstract) reason/reasoning. Similar abstract nouns include {ghanroq} "basis, foundation
(underlying support for an idea, argument, or process, depending on context, could also be {meq} or {qolqoS})" (qep'a' 2018), {potlh} “consequential thing, something important" and {qangtlhIn} "ideology, beliefs, principles, standards, ethics".<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">All that being said… though I concur that {meqvammo’} is a bit clumsy, I quite like the sound of the slangy {mo’mo’}. <g><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">--<br>
Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Ca'Non Master of the Klingons</span></i><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Friday, October 9, 2020 8:55 AM<br>
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</span>I still find the use of <b>meqvammo'</b> extremely clumsy, however. It often doesn't make sense until you squint at a sentence long enough to realize that something has been presented as a reason for something else. With
<b>vaj,</b> on the other hand, you don't have to recognize something as a reason. You just have the cue that the sentence is a conclusion of some sort.<span style="color:#1F497D"><br>
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