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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Another lexicalized {SIp} noun is {julSIp} “helium” from qepHom 2015. Examples of how such nouns have been used:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> nIn: rugh bIQSIp
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Fuel - Anti Hydrogen. (KBoP Poster)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> nIn: bIQSIp 'ugh
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> Fuel - Deuterium Isotope. (KBoP Poster)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">[Both types of fuel are listed on the poster? For both the warp and impulse drives?]<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> yoq yIn yuQ 'oH Qo'noS'e'. yInSIp voQSIp je ngaS muDDaj.
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Qo'noS is a class-M planet with an oxygen/nitrogen atmosphere. (S27)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> cha’ bIQSIp HeySelmey, wa’ yInSIp HeySel je yugh bIQ ’o’rIS.
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"> The water molecule consists of two hydrogen atoms and one oxygen<br>
atom. (Lieven, OK'd by MO at qepHom 2015)<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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Voragh<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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<p class="MsoNormal"><b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif">From:</span></b><span style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif"> tlhIngan-Hol <tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org>
<b>On Behalf Of </b>SuStel<br>
<b>Sent:</b> Sunday, October 4, 2020 1:55 PM<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal">On 10/4/2020 12:19 PM, SCOTT wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<pre>I have learned that {yInSIp} is "oxygen" and {voQSIp} is "nitrogen." Naturally, I looked up {SIp} and found that it means "gas."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>It would seem, then, that these words refer to the elements in their gaseous states. Today, though, Duolingo gave me {voQSIp taD} as "frozen nitrogen."<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>I believe that frozen nitrogen is nitrogen in its solid state. That would make {-SIp} superfluous, and I would expect it to be {voQ taD}.<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<pre>Do elements that have a gaseous state retain {-SIp} regardless of the element's state? Would it always be something like "frozen oxygen gas" and "frozen nitogen gas"?<o:p></o:p></pre>
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<p>When Okrand shoves words together to create new complex nouns, it's a clear sign that the word has been lexicalized this way and is considered a fixed word. We have no information about solid or liquid forms of
<b>yInSIp or</b> <b>voQSIp,</b> so we must assume that their English glosses are correct and relatively complete. The glosses of
<b>yInSIp</b> and <b>vOQSIp</b> don't say anything about referring only to gasses beyond a
<i>guessed</i> etymology, so we have no reason to suppose they only refer to gasses.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>We could, if we wanted, invent an etymology that supports any position. I might, for instance, say that Klingons discovered oxygen and nitrogen in their gas forms and named them with
<b>SIp,</b> and when they later learned of their other physical states, the names were so entrenched that they just continued to use them.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>But I just made that up. We don't really know. Maybe Klingons have separate words for solid oxygen and nitrogen. Maybe they just switch
<b>SIp</b> with <b>lep.</b> We don't know.<o:p></o:p></p>
<p>Anyway, nobody complains if someone says <i>frozen water </i>in English. We say
<i>water vapor</i> without blinking. For all we know, <b>yInSIp taD</b> is exactly as acceptable.<o:p></o:p></p>
<pre>-- <o:p></o:p></pre>
<pre>SuStel<o:p></o:p></pre>
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