<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">And just to add one more log on the fire, do we know for sure that the {pumpu’} version of telling time stops at 12?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I mean the “Hundred hours” method definitely counts to “twenty nine hundred hours” before zeroing out at midnight, but does {pumpu’} reset to “once” after noon? I think we assume this to be the case, but I don’t remember that being explicitly noted.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Please tell me that it IS explicitly noted. I just don’t remember it being so.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 29, 2020, at 11:12 AM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/27/2020 7:54 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I've been going through the various time telling methods.
method #1:
(from: "maltz online", HolQeD 8:1, pages 7-12)
tera' rep loS wejmaH
"Earth hour 4:30"
method #2:
(same source)
cha'logh Qoylu'pu'.
method #3:
(Eurotalk TalkNow! Klingon)
Five to twelve (11:55) a.m.
wa'maH wa'vatlh vaghmaH vagh rep
11:55 p.m. (23:55)
cha'maH wejvatlh vaghmaH vagh rep
As far as the first two methods are concerned, I read okrand's
explanation with regards to when they are to be used and/or how and
why each method originated. Strangely though, I didn't see in the
eurotalk any description as to when this specific method of telling
time is to be used, or how it originated in the first place.
Which brings me to the question of this post..
Among the various time telling methods, is there a method which is
supposed to be used in more formal settings than the rest ?
And when I say "formal settings" I mean weddings, court trials,
religious texts, etc.
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</blockquote><p class="">"Formal" and "traditional" isn't the right way to categorize
this. In the Maltz Online article, Okrand says that Klingons use
the <b class="">tera' rep </b>twenty-four hour system "in dealing with
time in interplanetary communication." He says "in nonmilitary
contexts (rare as these may be) and situations where
interplanetary communication is not a concern," Klingons' "most
common" method is the <b class="">Qoylu'pu'</b> style.<b class=""> </b>Neither the
<i class="">Conversational Klingon</i> style nor the expanded version of it
in <i class="">TalkNow!</i> are given contexts in which they are used. CK
simply says "Klingons have adopted the way most civilized planets
in the galaxy tell time."</p><p class="">So we have the information that MOST time-telling is in a
military context and uses SOME kind of twenty-four hour system. We
have two different versions of these, putting the word <b class="">rep</b>
either before or after the numbers, one of which also includes <b class="">vatlh</b>.
We don't know for sure whether the <b class="">vatlh</b> version is used
specifically in military contexts; I would guess that it is. It
seems to simply be a slightly different formation.</p><p class="">So my guesses would be:</p><p class="">Weddings: <b class="">Qoylu'pu'</b> style, unless the wedding takes place
on a ship or military installation.</p><p class="">Court Trials: I find it hard to believe that Klingons have any
nonmilitary courts, so I would expect one of the 24-hour styles.</p><p class="">Religious Texts: Klingons clearly didn't adopt 24-hour time until
they got to know Humans, so ancient religious texts would
obviously use <b class="">Qoylu'pu'</b> style, unless there were some
other style we don't know about. Religion to Klingons seems to be
separate from the military, so I would guess even modern religious
texts would use <b class="">Qoylu'pu'</b> style. However, we know that
Klingon religion extends to Klingon planets beyond Kronos, so
maybe this would be a case for an interplanetary 24-hour system.
"Interplanetary" might have meant "between Klingon planets and
non-Klingon planets," in which case one wonders whether Klingon
monks would bother using 24-hour time.</p><p class="">Note also in CK that Klingons use 24-hour time with Terran
tourists and that tourists' movements are restricted on Klingon
planets. It's possible that different areas of a Klingon planet
use different nonmilitary time systems to accommodate the locals.</p><p class="">I would also expect each planet to bend the rules to accommodate
varying planetary rotation speeds.<br class="">
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