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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/13/2020 11:11 AM, Will Martin
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cite="mid:5FEAEA94-1B77-4315-8953-82B6EC45AFF5@mac.com">{yIH nuq}
works because {nuq} sort of works like a pronoun, except when it
doesn’t.</blockquote>
<p>It always works like a pronoun. Pronouns have two functions in
Klingon: they stand in for nouns <b>(nuq legh yaS),</b> and they
help identify nouns <b>(yIH nuq).</b></p>
<p>I doubt <b>nuq</b> does all the things that pronouns can do. I
doubt, for instance, that you'd ever put verb suffixes on <b>nuq.</b>
I don't think <b>yIH nuqbe'</b> <i>What isn't a tribble?</i> is
a well-formed sentence. We don't really know anything about that.
But <b>nuq</b> always functions basically the way a pronoun
functions in Klingon.<br>
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cite="mid:5FEAEA94-1B77-4315-8953-82B6EC45AFF5@mac.com">
Considering that the correct answer would be {Ha’DIbaH ‘oH yIH’e’}
it’s pretty clear that {yIH nuq} is probably a shortened version
of {nuq ‘oH yIH’e’}. The word {nuq} absorbs the meaning of {nuq
‘oH}, and with a single noun combined with the resulting chuv
acting as a pronoun, the noun comes first. <br>
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<p>"Pretty clear"? The ONLY evidence I can think of to support
anything like that is the clipped version of <b>nuqDaq 'oH
puchpa''e'</b> turning into <b>nuqDaq puchpa'.</b> One single
sentence using a different word isn't what I'd call "pretty
clear." It's a possibility only. We have evidence against that
claim, in that Okrand said the word <b>nuq</b> works "the same
way pronouns do in questions with 'to be' in the English
translations," and says that <b>yIH nuq</b> is exactly parallel
to <b>yIH 'oH.</b> That explanation contradicts the Clipped
Klingon suggestion.<br>
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<div class="">We don’t say *{nuq yIH} for the same reason we don’t
say *{maH tlhIngan}. When one noun forms a sentence with a
pronoun, the noun comes first.</div>
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<p>Except we have <b>nuq mI'lIj, tera'ngan</b> from CK. I've also
internalized that we have both <b>SoH 'Iv</b> and <b>'Iv SoH,</b>
but I can't find a source for <b>'Iv SoH,</b> so that may not be
a canonical sentence.<br>
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