<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">So, the question becomes whether {tlhuD} is a Klingon physicist’s jargon, or a common Klingon’s word that might, as in English, have a wider scope of meaning.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I tend to think of radiation as, well, something that radiates.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">[Long philosophical ramblings deleted, being more important for me to write than for you to read.]</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It is interesting to think about, though.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jul 10, 2020, at 1:17 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 7/10/2020 12:55 PM, Lieven L. Litaer
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:c9125aec-4f06-f600-1037-3e2ce83d2430@gmx.de" class="">Am
10.07.2020 um 18:40 schrieb nIqolay Q:> This sentence also
provides
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another example of later canon changing
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<blockquote type="cite" class="">In the example sentence, *tlhuD* is used
with electricity. (Although
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perhaps a jolt of electricity is close enough to radiation --
that is, a
<br class="">
discharge of energetic particles -- that it still counts.)
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That's what I thought too. I am not a physicist, but I think that
[at
<br class="">
least from aKlingon point of view] electricity pretty well fits
into the
<br class="">
idea of radiation.
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</blockquote><p class="">As someone who has had some training in physics, I can tell you
that electricity is not radiation, though the two are related
phenomena. Electricity about is the presence and movement of
electrically charged particles. Radiation is about the emission of
waves or particles of all kinds. There is some overlap between the
two, in that electromagnetic radiation (e.g., light) affects the
electric (and magnetic) field.<br class="">
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And even if it's not - perhabs we could accept that this is one of
the
<br class="">
things where the Klingon language just is that way as it is. Even
though
<br class="">
Okrand said "tlhuD refers to radiation only", he did not say that
<br class="">
electricity is not part of it. The summary of all of this is that
tlhuD
<br class="">
is used with radiation and electricity.
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</blockquote><p class="">I think it's more likely that the scientific terminology evolved
AFTER the Klingon language, so scientific jargon may not be
identical to the layman's language. We speak in quantum mechanics
of <i class="">waves,</i> but the word just comes from the movement of
water — which is waves, but the quantum mechanical Schrodinger
Equation doesn't represent a physical object actually waving. We
speak of an event horizon, even though the word <i class="">horizon</i>
really refers to the point at which an object disappears around
the curve of the Earth. We speak of quantum spin: even though the
particle is not literally spinning, it behaves in certain ways as
if it were. Scientific jargon grows out of ordinary language.</p><p class="">Also, Okrand is not a physicist. He's speaking in the same
register as he did in <i class="">The Klingon Dictionary:</i> crudely. We
have one example of <b class="">'ul tlhuD,</b> which may mean that you can
<b class="">tlhuD</b> electricity, or it may mean some writer got sloppy
with scientific jargon. Maybe some Klingon scientist will push his
duct-taped glasses up his ridgy nose, sniffle, and say, "ACTUALLY,
people always say <b class="">'ul tlhuD</b>, but <b class="">'ul</b> doesn't
actually get <b class="">tlhuD</b>ed." We don't know.</p><p class="">For now, if someone says <b class="">'ul tlhuD,</b> don't sweat it.
Okrand said "radiation only," but we don't really know exactly how
technically accurate that is supposed to be. <b class="">tlhuD</b> may or
may not be used with electricity, and we don't have enough
information to say for sure, but if someone uses it, there's no
point in cracking down on it.<br class="">
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