<html><head><meta http-equiv="content-type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body dir="auto">While I completely agree with you, I do so with the understanding that, as in Japanese or Danish, a long vowel is a vowel literally held for a longer duration. The pronunciation of the long vowel doesn’t shift in either of those languages the way that what we call a “long†vowel shifts in English.<br><br><div dir="ltr"><div>The Japanese pronunciation of Tokyo uses long “oâ€s for both of those “oâ€s, and in the Romanized spelling of the Japanese can be transcribed either as Tookyoo or more commonly with the horizontal line over each “oâ€.</div><div><br></div><div>My English last name, “Martin†is pronounced in Japanese as “Maatin†with the Japanese version of a long “aâ€. It’s still the same sound we use in English in the word “fatherâ€, but it’s held longer, and would most commonly be spelled “Matin†with a horizontal line over the “aâ€.</div><div><br></div><div>What I’m not hearing from Okrand is the English “long o†in “mowâ€, which glides from what I hear as the Klingon {o} into the English “oo†sound in “gooseâ€.</div><div><br></div><div>Sent from my iPad</div></div><div dir="ltr"><br><blockquote type="cite">On Jun 28, 2020, at 10:20 AM, SuStel <sustel@trimboli.name> wrote:<br><br></blockquote></div><blockquote type="cite"><div dir="ltr">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 6/28/2020 9:49 AM, De'vID wrote:<br>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 27 Jun 2020 at 08:44,
Lieven L. Litaer <<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" moz-do-not-send="true">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:<br>
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0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">Listen
to the sounds on the Klingon CD. When Okrand speaks a syllable<br>
like {bom} it rhymes more "bomb" than it does with "bo-u-m" or
"bone".<br>
{bot} does not rhyme with "boat".<br>
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<div>I (re-)listened to Conversational Klingon, and when Okrand
says {lenHom} (near the end of the second track called "Klingon
cursing"), it sounds to me like it does rhyme with "home" or
"bone". He says something like "len-home" (but with a {H}).</div>
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<p>I find it difficult to distinguish between [o] and [oÊŠ]. The best
clue to the presence of [oÊŠ] is that the vowel is long. Okrand
uses a number of <b>o</b> vowels in <i>Conversational</i> and <i>Power
Klingon.</i> Some of them are short, as in <b>SoH.</b> Some of
them are long, as in <b>lenHom.</b> Some of them change: when he
says <b>toDSaH,</b> he pronounces a short vowel; when he says the
first syllable of that in isolation, <b>toD,</b> he uses a long
vowel.</p>
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