<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><br></div><div>Recently it came up in conversation about whether there are "generations" of Klingon speakers. (It came up because I have a son, who now knows a little bit of Klingon.)</div><div><br></div><div>This made me think of a message I sent way back in 2013 (quoted in entirety) below, which didn't get a lot of responses at the time. (Just four other people supplied their info, which isn't enough to build a detailed picture.)</div><div><br></div><div>Do people think of (abstract, not biological) "generations" of Klingon speakers? For example, participants in the first few {qep'a'}s seem to form one "generation". I have never been to a {qep'a'}, but I have met several 1st-genersĀ in person, and I joined the mailing list quite early and have participated several times in Lieven's qepHom'a'. So I feel like I'm a 2nd-gener. More recently, there has been something of a boom in interest in Klingon (starting around the time Star Trek Into Darkness came out in 2013), and to me they feel a little bit like another "generation" of speakers. (And maybe there have been multiple, but I haven't noticed.)</div><div><br></div><div>Does anyone else see things that way?</div><div><br></div><div>Anyway, I wish I had a social graph of Klingon speakers showing how people know each other (in real life, virtually, etc.) so we can visually see what the community connections look like.</div><div><br></div><div>Also, I wonder how many children of Klingon speakers also speak Klingon? Are there any biological 3rd-generation Klingon speakers yet (and if not, when will that happen)?</div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sat, 9 Feb 2013 at 08:51, De'vID <<a href="mailto:de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com">de.vid.jonpin@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">When people find out I speak Klingon, I am sometimes asked (as I'm<br>
sure you all are) how many people in the world can carry out a<br>
conversation in it. Previously I've given an answer like "about<br>
20-30", which is what the Internet claims.<br>
<br>
Someone suggested to me that I may actually be able to get a better<br>
number, since Klingon speakers are highly likely to be a tightly<br>
connected social graph. There's a clique[1] of KLI members (likely the<br>
core qep'a' attendees), then a probably larger number of people who<br>
have spoken with someone in the clique (but not to everyone in the<br>
clique), and maybe a few who are two degrees of separation away. Then<br>
there may be other smaller cliques like with Germany qepHom<br>
participants, or various other qepHommey, or Klingon clubs like<br>
Khomerex Klinzhai or KAG or KIDC.<br>
<br>
In the interest of science, and also because the list of Klingonists<br>
on the KLI website is outdated and no longer accessible, can everyone<br>
list the people with whom they've carried out a conversation in<br>
Klingon in person?<br>
<br>
By "conversation" I mean both parties spoke at least one entire<br>
sentence in Klingon to the other one, which was understood and replied<br>
to; and in turn understood and replied in Klingon in a timely fashion<br>
to at least one entire sentence spoken in Klingon. And by "entire<br>
sentence" I mean something with a properly prefixed verb (i.e., more<br>
than just {nuqneH?} or {Qapla'}). By "in a timely fashion" I mean<br>
without spending minutes composing each sentence. By "in person" I<br>
mean either physically face-to-face, or over the phone or Skype or<br>
Google+ Hangout (i.e., the conversation took place in voice, rather<br>
than by typing). I'm being a bit pedantic here, but I want to make<br>
sure everyone is talking about approximately the same thing.<br>
<br>
I'll start. The people I've carried out a conversation in Klingon with are:<br>
- Holtej<br>
- 'ISqu'<br>
- Philip Newton<br>
- Qanqor<br>
- Qov<br>
- Alex Greene<br>
- maybes: Lieven, Felix, Zrajm<br>
<br>
Lieven is an edge case for me, because while we spoke in Klingon to<br>
each other at the qepHom, there were beginners around and he paused to<br>
explain each sentence to them. So I don't think it counts as a proper<br>
conversation. But I'm sure if there were no beginners around we<br>
could've carried out a conversation entirely in Klingon. And also, I<br>
know that he has carried out a conversation entirely in Klingon with<br>
Qov.<br>
<br>
I may also have had conversations with Felix and Zrajm. I definitely<br>
spoke an entire sentence in Klingon to each one, and I think each one<br>
has spoken an entire sentence in Klingon to me. But I don't think we<br>
went back-and-forth in Klingon in a conversational manner, without<br>
mixing in sentences in English, so I'm not counting them. (Unless the<br>
two of you remember otherwise, in which case correct me.)<br>
<br>
I also had several "one-sided conversations" at the Saarbrucken qepHom<br>
where I spoke entirely in Klingon, and the other person replied in<br>
English, or sometimes even in Klingon, but only after spending several<br>
minutes consulting with a dictionary or with other people, so those<br>
don't count as "conversations" by my above definition.<br>
<br>
I can already make a good case for ten conversant Klingon speakers in<br>
the world based on just people I've spoken with, and I know of several<br>
more by reputation, so I'm beginning to think 20 is a low estimate,<br>
although it'll be interesting to see if we can reach 30.<br>
<br>
[1] - I mean in the graph theoretical sense (<br>
<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clique_(graph_theory)" rel="noreferrer" target="_blank">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clique_(graph_theory)</a> ), but I suppose<br>
also in the social science sense. In layman's terms, there is a number<br>
of KLI members, each of whom has had a conversation with every other.<br>
<br>
--<br>
De'vID<br>
</blockquote></div><br clear="all"><div><br></div>-- <br><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_signature">De'vID</div></div>