<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">So, while reading this, I started thinking, what if you wanted to efficiently say that today, you ate pizza for the first time in your life (a very specific variation on your {wa’Hu’ pItSa’ vISoppu’be’}, and it hit me:</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">DaHjaj pItSa’ vIqIH ‘ej vISop.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Apr 30, 2020, at 10:01 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">SuStel:<br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class="">If you bring up such fine points of grammar to the ordinary<br class="">English speaker, most will just shrug and say something like<br class="">"I dunno. Whatever." I think the ordinary Klingon speaker<br class="">would do the same thing.<br class=""></blockquote><br class="">Now you reminded me..<br class=""><br class="">Some years ago, I was asking something similar.. I don't remember<br class="">exactly what it was, but I think it had to do with me trying to<br class="">understand which suffix influences which and why.<br class=""><br class="">Then, at some point in the thread, charghwI' replied by saying:<br class="">"arguing about something like this, would probably get you killed on<br class="">Qo'noS." Then, I found that so funny, laughing so much that I still<br class="">remember that incident although 2-3 years or more have passed.<br class=""><br class="">Fun aside, I agree that most native speakers in any language wouldn't<br class="">care to analyze such details. When I was considering the question of<br class="">this thread, initially I asked myself how I perceive this matter in<br class="">klingon. Then I asked myself how I perceive this matter in english..<br class="">But as soon as I begun to ask myself how I perceive this matter in<br class="">greek, immediately the thought appeared in my mind:<br class=""><br class="">Shut up, don't ask me that; I don't care. I just don't. I won't start<br class="">wondering the differences between the greek equivalent phrases. I<br class="">don't give a crap.<br class=""><br class="">So, yes; from personal experience I understand that a native speaker<br class="">doesn't care the slightest, about these details..<br class=""><br class="">And I believe that the average klingon reader, regardless whether he<br class="">read {wa'Hu', pItSa' vISopbe'}, {wa'Hu', pItSa' vISopbe'pu'}, or<br class="">{wa'Hu', pItSa' vISoppu'be'}, he wouldn't stop even for a second in<br class="">order to think if it's historical present, or past tense, or an event<br class="">completed. He would understand "yesterday I didn't eat a pizza", and<br class="">that's it - case closed. And I would think exactly the same, since I<br class="">never stop to analyze whenever I read others' klingon what *exactly*<br class="">their aspect (or lack of it) means.<br class=""><br class="">However, I do believe that it's always better if we know how things<br class="">work, even if in the end we tend not to (over)analyze things in the<br class="">actual everyday use of klingon.<br class=""><br class="">~ mayqel qunen'oS<br class="">'Imyaghbogh DoS vIpoQ<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>