<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr">I also neglected to include a new comment on <i>kiss</i> in my original edit to the Wiki but have since added it. I'll post it here. I had a question about <i>kiss</i> since it comes up more than a few times in the book and I know that there's lots of hesitation surrounding the use of <i>chop</i> for this:<div><br></div><div><span style="background-color:rgb(255,255,255)"><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">For "kiss," chop seems to have become the established translation. But, of course, to chop is to kiss Klingon-style. To make it clear that that's not what's happening in Oz, I was going to suggest </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">pe'vIlHa' chop</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">. I see you used </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">pe'vIlHa' chop</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px"> for when the witch kissed Dorothy "gently on the forehead," so, unless that changes, you can't use </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">pe'vIl chop</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px"> for "(non-Klingon) kiss" in general. Maybe </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">loQ chop</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px"> will work for the more general case. Or maybe just use chop and let it go at that. There's no straightforward, simple Klingon word for "(human-style) kiss." A non-standard, slangy expression for this is </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">'ep</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">. And Maltz says he thinks he once heard someone say </span><strong style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">qab rem</strong><span style="color:rgb(0,0,0);font-family:Tahoma,Verdana,Times,serif;font-size:16.799999237060547px">, but he tried hard to picture that and didn't consider it to be good Klingon at all — not even good slang.</span></span><br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 26, Jackson Bradley <<a href="mailto:j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com">j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div dir="ltr">Aha! I suspected a Downton Abbey pun in <b>patmor</b> but wasn't sure how it was related. <div>We had been chatting about Downton Abbey in the string of e-mails in which he revealed <b>patmor</b>.</div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">Le lun. 20 avr. 2020, à 11 h 01, Felix Malmenbeck <<a href="mailto:felixm@kth.se" target="_blank">felixm@kth.se</a>> a écrit :<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left-width:1px;border-left-style:solid;border-left-color:rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<p>Thank you for sharing; some interesting ones, there!<br>
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Rubies and emeralds could potentially be of interest when {Doq/SuD; X rur.} to describe the color of something. It's worth noting that there is a certain span of colors that rubies and emeralds can take, though, so be mindful that a Klingon might not imagine
the exact same color as we do if you say {Doq; nIb DItlhon.} or {SuD; nIb patmor.}.</p>
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<p>A while back, I asked a question on the conworlding Stack Exchange about whether or not we would expect to find well-known gemstones on other Earth-like planets, specifically because I was thinking about whether or not it would be of interest to ask about
their Klingon names. There were some interesting answers:</p>
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<p>It does seem likely - or at least not incredibly _un_likely* - that the cardinal gems would be found in some quantity, as their formation is quite simple.</p>
<p>However, their abundance and categorization might differ, since the same mineral can take a range of colors (for example, rubies and sapphires are both varieties of corundum), and conversely two different may have similar features (for example, I wouldn't
be able to tell ruby from red beryl).<br>
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<p>//loghaD<br>
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<div id="gmail-m_-7816427307074746525gmail-m_-2982363311863601356divRplyFwdMsg" dir="ltr"><font style="font-size:11pt" face="Calibri, sans-serif" color="#000000"><b>From:</b> tlhIngan-Hol <<a href="mailto:tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org" target="_blank">tlhingan-hol-bounces@lists.kli.org</a>> on behalf of nIqolay Q <<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" target="_blank">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>><br>
<b>Sent:</b> Monday, April 20, 2020 16:42<br>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">majQa'!</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">One thing I like lately is how MO has been providing new verbs which seem to be related to existing nouns, giving a sense of some deeper historical etymology. ({rutlh} = "wheel" and "be
round", for instance.) {QIn} "inject" might be another example, since it's homophonous with the word for "spearhead", both of which involve sticking a pointy thing into something else.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">Also, this seems to be acknowledgement of the word {ngIS}, which was coined for a Klingon novel but wasn't canon.</div>
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<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">{mu' chu' loScha'mey:}</div>
<div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">{DItlhon} = "dixon" in the xifan hol transcription system. In the holodeck scene of "Star Trek: First Contact", Ruby is the name of one of Dixon Hill's lady friends.<br>
{patmor} = Beryl Patmore is a character on Downton Abbey. Emerald is a variety of the mineral beryl.</div>
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<div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 6:46 PM Jackson Bradley <<a href="mailto:j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com" target="_blank">j.monroe.bradley@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<br>
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<div>Earlier I uploaded a video in which I presented some new words that I received for a recent translation. I've put the glosses and some notes onto the Klingon Wiki, so be sure to check that page out!</div>
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<div><a href="http://klingon.wiki/En/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz" target="_blank">http://klingon.wiki/En/TheWonderfulWizardOfOz</a><br>
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<div><a href="https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8eizUIy3b4" target="_blank">https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8eizUIy3b4</a><br>
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<div>Best,</div>
<div>DeSDu'</div>
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