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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 4/20/2020 8:55 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Unless
someone:</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">a. talks in
his sleep</p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">b. is
drunk/intoxicated </p>
<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">c. is being
possessed by the devil </p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">then I think
that *always* we can use {-ta'} instead of {-pu'} to refer to
the event of speech which has taken place.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">So, we can
say {jatlhta'} instead of {jatlhpu'}, {ja'ta'} instead of
{ja'pu'}, and (although they don't typically qualify as verbs
of speech) {ghelta'} and {jangta'}.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">With the
exception of the three cases already mentioned, people talk
intentionally. They set out to talk, and then do so.</p>
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<p dir="ltr" style="margin-top:0; margin-bottom:0;">Whether they
finally end up saying the things they wanted to say is another
story. But the "talking event", (where the aspect suffix
refers), is always intentional.</p>
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<p>The point of <b>-ta'</b> isn't just that something was done
intentionally. The point is that something was <i>accomplished.</i>
It's not just that the action was performed under my own
willpower; I'm making the point that I deliberately set out to
accomplish something and did.<br>
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<p>Klingon is not a scientific language attempting to accurately
define events in the universe. It doesn't describe things
objectively. Every sentence has a viewpoint. Klingon is a means of
personal expression. If accomplishment is not part of what I want
to express, then I shouldn't use <b>-ta'</b> instead of <b>-pu'.</b></p>
<p>If I'm telling the story of how someone asked me if I like
stuffed tobaj legs, and I want to express that I said yes, I
probably won't use <b>jIjatlhta' HIja'.</b> Whether my speech was
directed by my own will isn't important here; what's important is
whether saying yes was an event I set out to accomplish and
whether that matters at all. In this case, it doesn't matter at
all. The appropriate sentence would be <b>jIjatlhpu' HIja'.</b></p>
<p>Imagine saying "and I meant to do that" after each sentence you
think deserves a <b>-ta'.</b> If the "and I meant to do that"
seems pointless, <b>-ta'</b> is not really appropriate. "He asked
me if I like stuffed tobaj legs. I said yes, and I meant to say
that." The addition is silly, so <b>-ta'</b> should not be used.
On the other hand, "When I saw the guard, I killed him, and I
meant to do that." Here, the addition fits right in, so <b>-ta'</b>
would be perfectly appropriate, though still optional. This isn't
a rule, just a guideline you can use to figure out which suffix to
use.<br>
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