<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">Thinking about this more, because, hey, why not? </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">We all “travel through time” here in the real world, but we don’t “time travel” like fictional characters by Jules Verne or as is so often done in the Star Trek Universe.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Propagation happens in the real world, and the term is meaningless without considering change over time. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div>If we consider the common ground between the meanings of real-world traveling through time and real world propagation, we can follow a gene or an idea or a beam of light as it changes location and distribution and interacts with the context through which it propagates or the medium through which it propagates, then I can see one meaning for the word {vIb}. It’s a fairly sophisticated, complex, and abstract word, when compared to most of the Klingon vocabulary, if this is what it means.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">If, instead, it’s referring to Time Travel in the Star Trek Universe, fictional aspect, then it gets even crazier, since it could also refer to changes in the time line created by the presence of agents introduced by Time Travel.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Basically, it would be normal propagation with loops added, as a thing that normally could propagate exclusively forward through time would start a new Time Line by skipping backwards to an earlier time.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Have I mentioned that I despise the fictional concept of Time Travel?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">It basically treats Time as if it were a separate dimension instead of recognizing that the concept of a dimension is abstract and fictional. Everything that exists is in motion. That’s the core of Relativity.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Mathematicians arbitrarily invent the concept of an X axis, which doesn’t exist, a Y axis, which doesn’t exist, and a Z axis, which doesn’t exist, in order to mathematically model an object’s position at a given instant, which doesn’t exist, and then creates an artificial model of motion as a series, which doesn’t exist, of instants, that don’t exist, and calls that fictional series “Time”, which doesn’t exist.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Everything moves, and we have to simplify that so that math can describe it, and then we pretend that the measurements are more real than the real, moving objects being measured, so we can play with the numbers and invent the fictional concept of Time Travel, because, if a thing equals a number, you can always just change the number, right?</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">wejpuH.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Mar 25, 2020, at 5:16 PM, Lieven L. Litaer <<a href="mailto:levinius@gmx.de" class="">levinius@gmx.de</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div class="">I have again one of these annoying but important transitivity questions.<br class="">It's a bit influenced by the point that I don't know the English word:<br class=""><br class="">{vIb} "travel trough time", can also mean "propagate", and we are told<br class="">that it's not about plants.<br class=""><br class="">So what does "propagate" mean, and how would I use that? Does anyone<br class="">remember if Okrand said something about it?<br class=""><br class="">One example of the "travel" version shows that vIb is transitive. Would<br class="">also work with propagate?<br class=""><br class=""><br class="">--<br class="">Lieven L. Litaer<br class="">aka the "Klingon Teacher from Germany"<br class=""><a href="http://www.klingonisch.de" class="">http://www.klingonisch.de</a><br class="">http://www.klingonwiki.net/Word/VIb<br class="">_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org<br class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org<br class=""></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></div></body></html>