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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 3/4/2020 10:00 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">charghwI':
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">So much for adding clarity… [Don’t hit “send”, charghwI’. Just don’t hit “send”…]
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I'm glad you hit "send"; qeylIS knows we've argued in the past, and
qeylIS know we'll likely argue in the future too. But I always read
*very* carefully, everything you write, with regard to the grammar of
the language.
jIH:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">For example would the following be correct ?
Qel'e' qIpta'bogh neH la'
only the doctor who has been hit by the commander
the doctor who has been merely hit by the commander
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">SuStel:
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">Qel'e' qIpta'bogh neH la' can only mean
the doctor whom the commander merely hit.
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">qama'e' qIppu'bogh neH ghaH
only the prisoner whom he/she hit
the prisoner whom he/she merely hit
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So, if I understand correctly, the sentence {qama'e' qIppu'bogh neH
ghaH} *can* mean too "only the prisoner whom he/she hit", because the
{qama'e' qIppu'bogh} part of the clause read on its' own, means "the
prisoner who he/she hit". And then, in the complete clause, there is a
{ghaH} following, which does not "conflict" with the implied {ghaH} of
the {qama'e' qIppu'bogh} part of the clause.</pre>
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<p>NO! You can't split apart a relative clause in order to apply a <b>neH</b>
to just part of it. There is only one <b>ghaH</b> here; there
cannot be an implied <b>ghaH</b> in addition to the existing one.
Aside from the fact that the phrase wouldn't make sense <i>(the
prisoner whom he hit he),</i> you can't have a noun-noun
construction when the first noun of the construction has a type 5
suffix. Your relative clause can't act as the first noun of a
noun-noun construction with <b>ghaH,</b> because it's got an <b>-'e'</b>
on it.</p>
<p>There is no noun-noun construction here. There is only a relative
clause.</p>
<p><b>qama''e' qIppu'bogh neH ghaH</b> can ONLY mean <i>the
prisoner(s) whom the he/she merely hit.</i><br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">But the {Qel'e' qIpta'bogh neH la'} can *only* mean "the doctor whom
the commander merely hit", because the {Qel'e' qIpta'bogh} part of the
clause read on its' own would mean {the doctor who he/she hit}, but in
the complete clause {Qel'e' qIpta'bogh neH la'} the subject isn't a
"he/she" but the {la'}.
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<p>For exactly the same reason as above, <b>Qel'e' qIpta'bogh neH
la'</b> can ONLY mean <i>the doctor(s) whom the commander(s)
merely hit.</i></p>
<p>Do NOT pull apart a relative clause in the way you're doing. Put
brackets around the entire clause. You can apply <b>neH</b> to a
single word, or you can apply it to the entire clause, but you
can't apply it to part of the clause.</p>
<p><b>[qama''e' qIppu'bogh ghaH]<br>
</b>The entire phrase is the relative clause. Here are the allowed
interpretations:</p>
<p><b>[qama''e' neH qIppu'bogh ghaH].</b> <i>neH</i> is applied
only to the word <i>qama'.<br>
</i><b>[qama''e' qIppu'bogh neH ghaH].</b> <i>neH</i> is applied
only to the word <i>qIppu'bogh.</i> It does NOT apply to the
clause fragment <i>qama''e' qIppu'bogh.<br>
</i><b>[qama''e' qIppu'bogh ghaH neH].</b> <i>neH</i> is applied
only to the word <i>ghaH.<br>
</i><b>[qama''e' qIppu'bogh ghaH] neH.</b><i> neH</i> is applied
to the entire relative clause.<br>
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