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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 2/27/2020 4:19 PM, Lieven L. Litaer
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cite="mid:bcf32e45-38f8-9f22-4bd5-6b3d23f62798@gmx.de">Am
27.02.2020 um 21:19 schrieb Hugh Son puqloD:
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> But for the purposes of comprehension <b
class="moz-txt-star"><span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span>within
the text itself<span class="moz-txt-tag">*</span></b>, it
<br>
> doesn’t matter what they’re called as long as they’re called
the same
<br>
> thing every time they are mentioned.
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<br>
And here is another problem: How can it be controlled that a name
is
<br>
constantly transcribed the same way?</blockquote>
<p>It doesn't have to be. As long as it's consistent within the
text, it's fine. And if a transliteration becomes especially
popular, it will become accepted as the standard transliteration —
not necessarily "right," just "standard."</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:bcf32e45-38f8-9f22-4bd5-6b3d23f62798@gmx.de"> The bible
translation project is a
<br>
good example where the same names are currently indeed transcribed
<br>
differently. I am not an expert of religion, so is {yeSuS} the
same
<br>
person as {yeSuwa}?</blockquote>
<p>Yes. One is a transliteration of the name from Greek, the other a
transliteration of the name from Hebrew. The Greek name is itself
a transliteration and modification of the Hebrew name, which is
itself a variant of an earlier name.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<blockquote type="cite"
cite="mid:bcf32e45-38f8-9f22-4bd5-6b3d23f62798@gmx.de"> I they are
not, why is the seceond part of their
<br>
name {'IHrIStoS} in both cases? And if so, who is the person named
<br>
{QIStuS}? Even within an obviously clear situation, it is not
clear at all.</blockquote>
<p>The name <i>Christ</i> and its origins are more complicated,
because the name was not meant to be a surname; it means <i>messiah.</i>
As time went on, the name came to be viewed more as a surname or
second name. So to translate the name <i>Jesus Christ,</i> one
has to decide whether one is going to translate <i>messiah</i> or
transliterate <i>Χριστός, משיח, </i><i>Christos,</i> or <i>Christ.</i></p>
<p>There are no hard and fast rules when it comes to translations
and names. You have to consider your audience and purpose.</p>
<p>How, for instance, would you translate the name <i>Bilbo Baggins</i>
into Klingon? Well, one way would be to transliterate: <b>bIlbo
be'ghInIS.</b> But wait! Tolkien left notes for translators of <i>The
Lord of the Rings</i> on how to deal with all sorts of names.</p>
<blockquote>
<p><i>Baggins.</i> Intended to recall 'bag'—compare Bilbo's
conversation with Smaug in <i>The Hobbit</i>—and meant to be
associated (by hobbits) with <i>Bag End</i> (that is, the end
of a 'bag' or 'pudding bag' = cul-de-sac), the local name for
Bilbo's house. (It was the local name for my aunt's farm in
Worcestershire, which was at the end of a lane leading to it and
no further). Compare also <i>Sackville-Baggins.</i> The
translation should contain an element meaning 'sack, bag'.</p>
</blockquote>
<p>So a translator honoring Tolkien will probably call the character
<b>bIlbo buq'InIS</b> or something like that, to put <b>buq</b>
in there. Not something you'd necessarily think of without
guidance. Then there's the village name <i>Bywater.</i> He says
"Translate by sense." You wouldn't transliterate as <b>bay'water;</b>
you'd call it <b>bIQDaq.</b></p>
<p>But a translator of the Bible doesn't have the author's notes on
how to translate names. So one must come up with one's own style
guide. It doesn't really matter what it is, so long as you're
consistent. If there are accepted standards in translated
literature, you'd be well served to do what they did, but it's not
a requirement.</p>
<p>There is no one-size-fits-all answer.<br>
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