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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/30/2020 8:47 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">{jagh vIjonchoHpu'}:<br>
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I've have begun to capture the enemy. The event which has been
completed, is "my beginning the enemy's capture". But this
sentence, does not specify whether "the capturing" is completed.<br>
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Theoretically, it could mean as well "I begin that I have
captured. the enemy", but this translation, makes no sense.<br>
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<p>You have it exactly right. The beginning of the capturing is a
completed event. Now you're onto the stage that could no longer be
called <i>beginning.</i><br>
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{HoDvaD jagh vIjonchoHmoHpu'}:<br>
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I've caused the captain to begin to capture the enemy. The event
which has been completed, is the "my causing of the captain".
The sentence does not specify, whether the "capturing is
completed".<br>
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Theoretically, it could mean too "I cause that the captain has
begun to capture the enemy", but again this makes no sense.<br>
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<p>Correct. I'll bet Klingon time travel involves a lot of those
nonsense combinations starting to make sense.<br>
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<div dir="auto">Suppose I write:<br>
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{reH jIQuchpu'}<br>
always I've been happy</div>
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<div dir="auto">..with the intention of meaning something like "In
the past, I'always been happy to (whatever)".<br>
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Does it make any sense ? The only way I can understand it is,
"I've been happy, that happiness is over, and this always has
happened".<br>
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Would you understand this sentence differently ?</div>
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<p>When one says <i>I've always been happy,</i> one generally means
that happiness has always been one's state up to this point, and
says nothing about whether happiness will continue. That would be
<b>reH jIQuch</b> with no completion aspect. It's not describing
something that's completed; it's describing something that
occurred in the past without regard to its completion, and that
would be tense. But the sentence <b>reH jIQuch</b> doesn't place
the sentiment in any time context, so it's just as likely to mean
<i>I am always happy</i> or <i>I will always be happy</i> as it
does <i>I have always been happy.</i> Or it could mean all of
those things at once. To get the meaning you want, you must add an
explicit time context. <b>pa'logh reH jIQuch</b><i> In the past I
was always happy.</i></p>
<p>If you include the perfective suffix, it means something like
you're looking back at the whole experience of being happy,
including its ending. I don't think the <b>reH</b> on such a
sentence would be very useful. Maybe it emphasizes how complete
the happiness was over a long time, that there were no breaks in
the overall happiness. This might contrast it with <b>motlh
jIQuchpu'</b><i> I was usually happy; that happiness is
completed.</i><br>
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<p>Again, I think perfective on quality verbs can be tricky and not
very useful, so I wouldn't hold up my attempts at discerning a
meaning as definitive.<br>
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