<div dir="ltr"><div dir="ltr"><div class="gmail_default" style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif">The discussion of {rIntaH} from TKD:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">The meaning of {-ta'} can also be indicated syntactically. That is, instead of using the suffix {-ta',} a special verbal construction can follow the verb which indicates the accomplished action. This special verb is {rIn} <be finished, accomplished,> and in this usage it always takes the suffix {-taH} <continuous> (see below) and the third-person pronominal prefix (0).<br></blockquote><br>The discussion of {qar'a'} from TKDa:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">This word either follows the verb or else comes at the end of the sentence. Both of the following are correct:<br><br> {De' Sov qar'a' HoD}<br> {De' Sov HoD qar'a'} <The captain knows the information, right?> ({De'} <information,> {Sov} <he/she knows it,> {HoD} <captain>)<br></blockquote><br>MO uses "follow the verb" to refer to the placement of both constructions. In the {qar'a'} example {De' Sov qar'a' HoD}, the special construction described as following the verb comes before the explicit subject {HoD}. It seems reasonable to assume that when MO speaks of a special verb construction following the verb, he means right after the verb and before the subject. {rIntaH} is a special verb construction that follows the verb, so I conclude it would go before the subject: {qa'vam De' je' rIntaH valQIS.}<br></div></div></div><br><div class="gmail_quote"><div dir="ltr" class="gmail_attr">On Fri, Jan 24, 2020 at 9:27 AM SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:<br></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex">
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<div>On 1/24/2020 9:00 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<pre>Personally, I'd prefer placing it right after the noun, because it
<b><span>*</span>feels<span>*</span></b> more direct, and the meaning of the sentence becomes
immediately clearer, especially in cases where we don't have a
"simple" subject, but a more "complex" one, as for instance noun-noun
constructions, {-meH}ed nouns, {-bogh}ed nouns, or even an entire
{-bogh} phrase with it's own subject and object.
Now, one could perhaps argue that klingons wouldn't use "complex" subjects..</pre>
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<p>Except we see plenty of such subjects. Two examples:<br>
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<li>Noun-noun, relative clause with subject and object,
apposition, title: <b><span style="color:rgb(34,34,34);font-family:Georgia,serif;font-size:16px;font-style:normal;font-variant-ligatures:normal;font-variant-caps:normal;letter-spacing:normal;text-align:left;text-indent:24px;text-transform:none;white-space:normal;word-spacing:0px;background-color:rgb(255,255,255);text-decoration-style:initial;text-decoration-color:initial;display:inline;float:none">yejquv DevwI' moj ghawran 'e'
wuqta'<span> </span></span></b><b>cho' 'oDwI' Dapu'bogh
janluq pIqarD HoD</b> (Skybox S25)</li>
<li>Purpose clause: <b>jIpaSqu'mo' narghpu' qaSuchmeH 'eb</b>
(newsgroup)</li>
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<p>If one argues that Klingons don't use these constructions in
subjects, one is wrong.<br>
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SuStel
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