<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class="">qatlho’.<div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I never considered this possibility that it was intended to sound archaic, since Okrand has repeatedly spoken on how cautious he feels about creating canon, given how much analysis we come up with to justify things he says.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I suspect you are completely right, and I’m delighted by the tweak to my perspective you have provided.</div><div class=""><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 14, 2020, at 12:28 PM, nIqolay Q <<a href="mailto:niqolay0@gmail.com" class="">niqolay0@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div dir="ltr" class=""><div class="gmail_quote"><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">On Tue, Jan 14, 2020 at 12:09 PM SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><p class="">That last construction only occurs in one song, and doesn't
follow known rules. </p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">Apparently Okrand chose that construction with the intent that it was an archaic usage, to mimic the unusual "warrior brave and true" phrasing in the English. So there's a little bit of a known rule: "combine multiple <b class="">-bogh</b> clauses with <b class="">je</b> if you want your Klingon to sound archaic". That said, unless someone was explicitly writing something intended as ancient poetry, it'd probably be wrong to use that construction.<br class=""></div></div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="margin:0px 0px 0px 0.8ex;border-left:1px solid rgb(204,204,204);padding-left:1ex"><div class=""><p class="">Instead, we can say <b class="">tInbogh chab 'ej
'eybogh</b> or <b class="">tInbogh 'ej 'eybogh chab.</b> I'm not sure if
the form of <b class="">tInbogh chab 'ey</b> or <b class="">'eybogh chab tIn</b>
has ever been used in canon, though it's perfectly grammatical.
</p></div></blockquote><div class=""><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default">paq'batlh has some:<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><b class="">yoHbogh SuvwI' law' </b><i class="">many brave warriors</i> (pages 145-155, line 2)<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><b class="">Qobbogh may' nI'</b> <i class="">long and dangerous battle</i> (pages 158-159, line 15)</div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><b class="">quvbogh 'ej valbogh tIqDu' tIQ</b> <i class="">ancient hearts of honor and wisdom </i>(pages 188-189, line 21), which combines both ways of putting multiple stative verbs on a noun<br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div><div style="font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif" class="gmail_default"><br class=""></div></div></div></div>
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