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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/14/2020 9:05 AM, mayqel qunen'oS
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<div dir="auto">I've been wondering lately, with regards to using
{Hoch} after a noun with an adjective, and more specifically
its' position with regards to the adjective.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Assume we want to say "all of the big pie". There
are two options:</div>
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<div dir="auto">{chab tIn Hoch}</div>
<div dir="auto">{chab Hoch tIn}</div>
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<div dir="auto">Of the two, my preference would be the first one,
since -the way I understand it- it goes like:</div>
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<div dir="auto">"There is a big pie, and we consider all of it".</div>
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<div dir="auto">While the second, feels like it means:</div>
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<div dir="auto">"There is a pie, we consider all of it, and that
all, is big".</div>
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<div dir="auto">The only thing which troubles me, is whether it's
permissible to actually place {Hoch} after an adjective.</div>
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<div dir="auto">Would anyone like to share any thoughts on this
matter ?</div>
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<p>Think of the word <b>Hoch</b> as meaning <i>entirety</i> or <i>all-ness.</i>
<b>chab Hoch</b> means <i>the pie's all-ness, the all-ness of the
pie.</i> If you say <b>Hoch tIn,</b> you're saying <i>big
all-ness,</i> and <b>chab Hoch tIn</b> means <i>the pie's big
all-ness.</i> This isn't what you mean, so it can't be right.</p>
<p><b>chab tIn</b> means <i>big pie,</i> so <b>chab tIn Hoch</b>
means <i>big pie's all-ness,</i> which is what you're looking
for. There is no problem putting <b>Hoch</b> after an
adjectivally acting verb, because you don't consider the verb on
its own: it's part of the noun phrase <b>chab tIn.</b> Noun
phrases participate in the noun-noun construction exactly as if
they were nouns.<br>
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