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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2020 2:02 PM, Will Martin
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<div>meqlIj? meqlIj vInoHbe’. I know that I do not understand
other people’s motives. I do note their apparent priorities.
That’s very much not the same thing.</div>
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<p>Semantic backpedaling.<br>
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<div> I’m frequently surprised by how often others presume to
understand MY motives.</div>
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<p>I don't understand your motives. They're bizarre.<br>
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<div> I’m saying this in English because I have little enough
faith that it can be communicated well to you and mayqel in
English and far less faith that you can handle that subtlety
of intent in Klingon.</div>
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<p>bItlhaQqu'! choHagh 'e' yImev; jItaHlaHbe'! <i>Subtle?</i> SoH?!
SommI' jejHa' rur Hol laHlIj.<br>
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<div>Ironically, I’ve tried to talk about how important
Klingon cultural context is in understanding expressions,
and I forgot about the cultural context of this list. In
this list, the cultural context is that I’m expected to be a
jerk with evil motives, so whatever I say gets that baggage
added to it, whether it deserves it or not. It’s just
assumed.</div>
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<p>bImIghbe'ba'. bIvIngbej. bIlachbej. bIlaDHa'bej. 'ach bImIghbe'.<br>
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<div>A motive is a “why”. A priority is a “what”. They are quite
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<p>Well then stop judging people's priorities.<br>
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I presume nothing about what you intended to poorly communicate.</pre>
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<p class="">"If he’s saying that he dodged a bullet,
then perhaps his focus on being concise has trumped
his interest in being understood."</p>
<p class="">tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS, chay' <i
class="">presumption</i> jatlhlu'? mu'tlheghvam
Delchu' mu'vam.<br class="">
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<p class="">batlh Qumpu' mayqel. vay' yajchu'be'pu', vaj
boQmaj neHpu'.</p>
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Focus is not motive. It’s priority. There’s an option to be
concise. There’s an option to be comprehensively understood.
He appeared to lean in toward being concise.</div>
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<p>Excuse me, sir. You appear to be sitting in a pile of cow manure.</p>
<p>He tried to make a sentence. He asked if he got it right. He
wasn't trying to be especially concise; he was asking if it would
be understood. That's it. He didn't ask you to turn into a
Klingon, transport him to the Homeworld, and ask the nearby
Klingons to psychoanalyze him. And when you tried to do exactly
this, with the backing of the suggestions I offered, I objected to
the accuracy of the methodology.</p>
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<div>None of this has anything to do with motives. You and he seem
remarkably drawn toward wanting to talk about motives. If that
trend has a motive behind it, I honestly don’t understand it. I
prefer to assume that a person understands their own motives
better than I do, so I try not to comment on it, unless it
really gets in the way of communication to avoid the topic.</div>
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<div>My motive is that I want to play. You guys seem to want to
argue and insult. I have no idea why.</div>
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<p>You see? You're doing it again. <br>
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<p>You're the one who started this, stating that you knew full well
that you were starting an argument.</p>
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cite="mid:9B0DB220-CF81-46F5-B0FA-E5540AF676F3@mac.com">Great
question, very similar to your {jISaHbe’}, quickly followed by
insisting that I answer some question you had next to {jISaHbe’}
that I didn’t bother with because, hey, you don’t care, right? Why
ask a question about something you don’t care about, and then get
huffy about not getting an answer?</blockquote>
<p>You sent a message to the list saying that today you were a
Klingon, and stuff about Marc Okrand being right over you. So I
engaged you in your premise and responded as a Klingon. Just as
the Klingon in <i>Power Klingon</i> answers the Terran opening a
conversation with talk about the weather, you opened a
conversation by talking about Okrand's superior canonicity. This
didn't seem to be relevant to anything, so I answered the same was
as the Klingon in PK: I don't care. Whaddyawant? State your
business. And you didn't do that. You complained that I'd answered
you: if I didn't care, why did I answer? Just like the bumbling
Terran who asked, "Why did you say you don't care?"<br>
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<p>You utterly failed to behave like a Klingon. You didn't make your
business known, and when told to do so in the usual Klingon
manner, you failed to correct your mistake. You deserve to be
blasted with a disruptor. In your pretend Klingon world, of
course.<br>
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