<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">It’s nice to see how diplomatic you can be while you avoid any temptation to exaggerate or insult anybody. You clearly don’t seek to amplify disagreements or overstate the contrast between your flawless comprehension of everyone’s side of the argument and … whatever anyone else says.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div>We are so fortunate to have you here, keeping the peace. Good work.<br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Jan 12, 2020, at 2:39 PM, SuStel <<a href="mailto:sustel@trimboli.name" class="">sustel@trimboli.name</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class="">
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/12/2020 2:02 PM, Will Martin
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<div class="">meqlIj? meqlIj vInoHbe’. I know that I do not understand
other people’s motives. I do note their apparent priorities.
That’s very much not the same thing.</div>
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</blockquote><p class="">Semantic backpedaling.<br class="">
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<div class=""> I’m frequently surprised by how often others presume to
understand MY motives.</div>
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</blockquote><p class="">I don't understand your motives. They're bizarre.<br class="">
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<div class=""> I’m saying this in English because I have little enough
faith that it can be communicated well to you and mayqel in
English and far less faith that you can handle that subtlety
of intent in Klingon.</div>
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</blockquote><p class="">bItlhaQqu'! choHagh 'e' yImev; jItaHlaHbe'! <i class="">Subtle?</i> SoH?!
SommI' jejHa' rur Hol laHlIj.<br class="">
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<div class="">Ironically, I’ve tried to talk about how important
Klingon cultural context is in understanding expressions,
and I forgot about the cultural context of this list. In
this list, the cultural context is that I’m expected to be a
jerk with evil motives, so whatever I say gets that baggage
added to it, whether it deserves it or not. It’s just
assumed.</div>
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</blockquote><p class="">bImIghbe'ba'. bIvIngbej. bIlachbej. bIlaDHa'bej. 'ach bImIghbe'.<br class="">
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<div class="">A motive is a “why”. A priority is a “what”. They are quite
different in character.<br class="">
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</blockquote><p class="">Well then stop judging people's priorities.<br class="">
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<pre class="moz-quote-pre" wrap="">I presume nothing about what you intended to poorly communicate.</pre>
</blockquote><p class="">"If he’s saying that he dodged a bullet,
then perhaps his focus on being concise has trumped
his interest in being understood."</p><p class="">tlhIngan Hol jatlhlu'taHvIS, chay' <i class="">presumption</i> jatlhlu'? mu'tlheghvam
Delchu' mu'vam.<br class="">
</p><p class="">batlh Qumpu' mayqel. vay' yajchu'be'pu', vaj
boQmaj neHpu'.</p>
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Focus is not motive. It’s priority. There’s an option to be
concise. There’s an option to be comprehensively understood.
He appeared to lean in toward being concise.</div>
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</p><p class="">Excuse me, sir. You appear to be sitting in a pile of cow manure.</p><p class="">He tried to make a sentence. He asked if he got it right. He
wasn't trying to be especially concise; he was asking if it would
be understood. That's it. He didn't ask you to turn into a
Klingon, transport him to the Homeworld, and ask the nearby
Klingons to psychoanalyze him. And when you tried to do exactly
this, with the backing of the suggestions I offered, I objected to
the accuracy of the methodology.</p>
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<div class="">None of this has anything to do with motives. You and he seem
remarkably drawn toward wanting to talk about motives. If that
trend has a motive behind it, I honestly don’t understand it. I
prefer to assume that a person understands their own motives
better than I do, so I try not to comment on it, unless it
really gets in the way of communication to avoid the topic.</div>
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<div class="">My motive is that I want to play. You guys seem to want to
argue and insult. I have no idea why.</div>
</blockquote><p class="">You see? You're doing it again. <br class="">
</p><p class="">You're the one who started this, stating that you knew full well
that you were starting an argument.</p><p class=""><br class="">
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<blockquote type="cite" cite="mid:9B0DB220-CF81-46F5-B0FA-E5540AF676F3@mac.com" class="">Great
question, very similar to your {jISaHbe’}, quickly followed by
insisting that I answer some question you had next to {jISaHbe’}
that I didn’t bother with because, hey, you don’t care, right? Why
ask a question about something you don’t care about, and then get
huffy about not getting an answer?</blockquote><p class="">You sent a message to the list saying that today you were a
Klingon, and stuff about Marc Okrand being right over you. So I
engaged you in your premise and responded as a Klingon. Just as
the Klingon in <i class="">Power Klingon</i> answers the Terran opening a
conversation with talk about the weather, you opened a
conversation by talking about Okrand's superior canonicity. This
didn't seem to be relevant to anything, so I answered the same was
as the Klingon in PK: I don't care. Whaddyawant? State your
business. And you didn't do that. You complained that I'd answered
you: if I didn't care, why did I answer? Just like the bumbling
Terran who asked, "Why did you say you don't care?"<br class="">
</p><p class="">You utterly failed to behave like a Klingon. You didn't make your
business known, and when told to do so in the usual Klingon
manner, you failed to correct your mistake. You deserve to be
blasted with a disruptor. In your pretend Klingon world, of
course.<br class="">
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