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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 1/9/2020 12:06 PM, Will Martin
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<div class="">I think it’s perfectly appropriate to include
cultural context when translating to and from Klingon. <br>
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<p>You keep wanting to do this, and you keep ignoring the big
problem with it: Klingons aren't real.</p>
<p>Klingons are whatever the writers say they are in the episodes or
movies in which they appear. They do what the writers need them to
do and say what the writers need them to say. We accept what
Okrand says about them as true because that's the game we're
playing, and we can watch shows and movies and recognize cultural
traits. What we can't do is say "Klingons tend to act like X, so
in their language they wouldn't say Y."</p>
<p>There are no Klingons that people who aren't Okrand can go and
ask to confirm or refute their hypotheses. Imagine someone was
learning to speak American English. They wonder how to say "I
don't believe in guns" in English. Their friend, who is also
studying American English, says, "You can't say that in America,
because Americans love their guns and wouldn't be caught dead not
carrying one." Not only does this derive from an over-the-top
stereotype, it's just not true: the statement <i>can</i> be said
in English, even by Americans.</p>
<p>While culture and language are clearly and strongly tied
together, one's culture does not dictate everything that can be
said in one's language. People violate taboos all the time. Taboos
have varying seriousness. Monocultures are not real, even for
Klingons. Unless Okrand tells us a cultural restriction about
Klingon, we cannot assume any. When real Klingons beam down and
start talking to us, we can revise this restriction.</p>
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