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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/25/2019 5:24 PM, Will Martin
wrote:<br>
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<div class="">I openly invite you to redesign the test. My whole
point is that I don’t invite you to make whoever designed the
test redesign the test.</div>
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<p>I'm pretty sure your whole point was: don't offer criticism
unless you're Somebody.</p>
<p>I honestly can't tell if you're ignoring the real point to be
defensive, or if you actually don't get it. This is someone saying
<i>I have a problem, and here's something that would help.</i> And
you dump on him with <i>And who do you think you are?</i></p>
<p>But okay, let's pretend it matters if I redesign the test. As a
matter of fact, I have given a great deal of thought to how I
would design a course in Klingon. I have posted extensively to the
Duolingo discussion boards with my thoughts on how that course is
constructed, often arguing with the very patient janSIy. I've
thought much about how <i>I</i> would do it.</p>
<p>And it always comes down to this: I don't have a platform.
Nobody's going to prefer SuStel's Klingon Kourse over Duolingo or
the KLI. It would be wasted effort. Plus, I've got two small
children and a job and a wife with a job; I haven't got lots of
free time. Even now I'm stealing time from putting my kids to bed
to write this.</p>
<p>As for this particular test, I have already said that I'm not
convinced that it <i>needs</i> changing. I'm not arguing with you
that the test needs to be changed, or that he's right and you're
wrong. I'm telling you not to attack him for making his point.<br>
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<p>Nobody is saying the people who made the KLI tests haven't done a
fine job. QIDwI' proposed something he thinks is an improvement,
explaining why he thinks it is so. The wrong thing to do is to
mock his explanation and suggest he come back when he's proved his
bona fides.<br>
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<div class=""> If they care to, on their own timeframe, they can
certainly be welcome to do it, but I’ve seen less positive
suggestion on this point than I’ve seen negative reaction to
what now exists, without much in the way of appreciation shown
for the effort that went into creating the test and making it
available.</div>
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<p>He didn't just give a negative reaction. He gave an explanation
of what his problem is, and what he thought would positively fix
it. And invited someone to explain why what he wants isn't as good
an idea as he thinks.</p>
<p>How profusely should he have shown his appreciation?<br>
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<div class="">If I seem defensive, it’s because I’m defending
something I care about. I care about people creating resources
for the KLI. I respect the hours they’ve put in, and I
appreciate the positive intent of their efforts.</div>
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<p>So, I think, does QIDwI'. He didn't say, <i>This test sucks!</i>
He said he tried to take the level 1 test and realized it was
asking him for things he hadn't learned, and questioned the
appropriateness of teaching them. People are allowed to doubt the
KLI.<br>
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cite="mid:806B9B83-61A5-4003-BD88-AD201415AB34@mac.com">I never
suggested that the test couldn’t be better, or that anyone willing
to put the positive effort into redesigning it should be
discouraged from doing so. I’m less interested in defending the
specific, current form of the test than I am in defending the
earned respect of whoever created the test and made it available.
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<div class="">I would just as quickly defend respect for any new
person who makes the positive effort to make the test better.</div>
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<p>That is <i>exactly</i> what he did. He explained his trouble
with the test and offered an outline of a solution. And you dumped
on him.<br>
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