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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 11/25/2019 4:35 PM, Will Martin
wrote:<br>
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cite="mid:695AD82B-87EE-4DDA-A21F-E105E1C88173@mac.com">
<div class="">I think there’s plenty of disrespect in this entire
discussion. I don’t believe that I have more of it than you do.
I doubt you would have as much interest in defending the
complaint if I weren’t the one commenting on it.</div>
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<div class="">We both know that you are predisposed to objecting
to pretty much anything I say, especially if you can lecture me
about it. No sense pretending it isn’t personal.</div>
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<p>Until you commented on it, I didn't feel a <i>need</i> to defend
the complaint. It's not because it's you; it's because what you
posted was uncalled for and not deserved.<br>
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cite="mid:695AD82B-87EE-4DDA-A21F-E105E1C88173@mac.com">The maker
of the test is welcome to review the materials and decide whether
there is merit in changing them. </blockquote>
<p>An action they would not be prompted to do if there were not
someone pointing out possible improvements.<br>
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cite="mid:695AD82B-87EE-4DDA-A21F-E105E1C88173@mac.com">Having put
sincere effort into making the test fair and useful, they don’t
owe anybody urgency to making changes. They have lives of their
own and any effort put into updating the test is voluntary. <br>
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<p>Nobody asked anybody to urgently attend to their own needs. The
original posted asked for the KLI to "think about changing these
questions" or to explain "why they have to be like they are." This
is not unreasonable.<br>
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<p>I don't think the egos of the test designers are so fragile that
they need you to suppress alternative viewpoints.<br>
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cite="mid:695AD82B-87EE-4DDA-A21F-E105E1C88173@mac.com">
<div class="">The work they’ve already done does deserve more
respect than this discussion has been offering. I make that
point again, since I am the only person expressing it so far,
and I am 100% certain that this point is not to be ignored.</div>
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<p>When someone says, hey, I learned Klingon a different way than
you, and the test you're offering tests on things you learned, not
me, so can you think about changing the test or explaining your
reasoning, that's not disrespectful.</p>
<p>When someone says, if you're so naturally good at Klingon why
don't you go make up your own tests instead of criticizing this
one, that's disrespectful. Writing a wall of text that lists,
annotated by number, all the things someone is doing wrong is
disrespectful.<br>
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cite="mid:695AD82B-87EE-4DDA-A21F-E105E1C88173@mac.com">
<div class="">If you can teach the language so well without
numbering the suffixes, make your own test and share it with
others to see how universally helpful it is in teaching the
language to others and improving their skills with it. Anyone,
myself included, would welcome your contribution to the
community. I’m sure that better tests could exist. They just
need someone to put in the time and skill to make them.</div>
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<div class="">Until someone else does that, this test will do
fine.</div>
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<p>Others <i>have</i> done that. Duolingo has done it. They don't
teach the suffix numbers; they introduce the suffixes differently.
And then people who have tried to learn Klingon come to the KLI,
the central hub of all Klingonists, and try to take the test that
the KLI offers that basically says, if you want to prove yourself,
you need to pass this test. And they discover it tests things they
haven't learned. It's not unreasonable to ask the KLI to
reconsider its testing.</p>
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