<html><head><meta http-equiv="Content-Type" content="text/html; charset=utf-8"></head><body style="word-wrap: break-word; -webkit-nbsp-mode: space; line-break: after-white-space;" class=""><div class="">{qabpaq} is a proper name, not a word per se. We do have proper names in our canon dictionaries, but keep in mind that proper names have context, and {qabpaq} is the proper name of a corporation and a Web site on Earth in the 21st century. Most likely, it is meaningless on Qo’noS in the distant future, where the Klingons of Star Trek is set. We’ve never seen Worf pulling out his tricorder to post an image of his breakfast for all his friends and family.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">So, if you are writing in Klingon in a context where people know what FaceBook is, it’s fine to use {qabpaq}. If you are writing fan fiction in the Star Trek Universe, it’s probably presumptive, perhaps useful as humor, but not really something you can expect ViaCom to ever feature as a script for a future movie.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">Meanwhile, on the topic of new words, I’d like to express my deep appreciation for the extreme convenience of being able to update the word list in boQwI’ with a couple of screen taps, without having to manually make the entry, note the source, decide the arbitrary wording of the gloss if the one given doesn’t fit the format of the rest of the dictionary, [and in the old days, make sure to make consistent entries on the K>E and E>K sides].</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">I have put so much work into maintenance of the dictionaries migrated to half a dozen or so different platforms over the years, from the original WordStar file on my Commodore 128, printed on a dot matrix printer, through Palm and HandSpring databases, MS Access in Windows, Bento, and TapForms in MacOS and iOS, I feel absolutely lazy being able to just update the database in boQwI'.</div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">For all the work that goes into this great resource for us all, thank you, thank you, thank you. </div><div class=""><br class=""></div><div class="">batlh bIvangtaHmo' qanaD.</div><br class=""><div class="">
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<div><br class=""><blockquote type="cite" class=""><div class="">On Oct 25, 2019, at 9:20 AM, mayqel qunen'oS <<a href="mailto:mihkoun@gmail.com" class="">mihkoun@gmail.com</a>> wrote:</div><br class="Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=""><div id="d_1572009605726" style="font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 9pt; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-size-adjust: auto; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">David Holt:</div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> I wouldn't count that as canon. Is Dr.<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> Okrand never allowed to just have a <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> casual conversation without being careful <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> that he is also making an offical canon <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> pronouncement? So Dr. Okrand <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> occaionally uses mu'mey ru' and mu'mey <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> ghoQ. That doesn't make those words <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> canon, it shows us that it's OK to use <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> mu'mey ru' and mu'mey ghoQ. Feel free <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> to use them. But don't expect them to <span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">> appear in official dictionaries.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">I don't agree with this argument.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If we accept it, then who will be the one deciding, "when okrand is speaking casually, and when he's officially creating canon" ?</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Perhaps, the need never appeared again for okrand to use {qabpaq}. So, how could someone dismiss it, as being "a one-time temporary word only" ?</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">Personally, I'd expect every new word spoken by okrand to appear in official dictionaries, (if there were ever any), but with a note informing the reader, when it was said/heard/written etc.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">If not for any other reason, then at least for the purpose to inform someone who sees it being used by someone, to know why that person is using it to start with.</div><br class=""><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">~<span class="Apple-converted-space"> </span></div><div style="font-size: 9pt; color: rgb(31, 73, 125); margin-top: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px;" class="">bara'qa'</div></div><div class="quoted_separate_body" style="caret-color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; text-decoration: none;"><div id="quoted_header" style="clear: both;" class=""></div><br type="attribution" class=""><div id="quoted_body" class=""></div>_______________________________________________<br class="">tlhIngan-Hol mailing list<br class=""><a href="mailto:tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org" class="">tlhIngan-Hol@lists.kli.org</a><br class=""><a href="http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org" class="">http://lists.kli.org/listinfo.cgi/tlhingan-hol-kli.org</a></div></div></blockquote></div><br class=""></body></html>