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<p>These are interesting enough to analyze one by one.<br>
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<div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 10/7/2019 10:37 AM, Steven Boozer
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<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Other
examples came later:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Dargh
vIqem je
<br>
I'll bring tea also. CK</span></p>
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<p>I'll bring tea in addition to bringing your dinner. (Previous
sentence: <b>SoHvaD 'uQ wej vIqem</b><i> I'll bring you dinner
number three.</i>)<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">jIghung
je
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I am also hungry. PK</span></p>
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<p>In addition to you being hungry, I am hungry. (Previous sentence:
<b>jIghung</b><i> I am hungry.</i>)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">jI'oj
je
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I am also thirsty. PK</span></p>
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<p>I addition to you being thirsty, I am thirsty. (Previous
sentence: <b>jI'oj</b><i> I am thirsty.</i>)<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">notlh
veS... 'a tugh manotlhchoH je maH
<br>
War is obsolete... as we are in danger of becoming. ST6</span></p>
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<p>We and war are both (soon to be) obsolete.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">pInaDqu'
tuqlIj wInaDqu' je
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Glory to you and your house. <br>
("We praise you highly; we also praise your house highly") KGT</span></p>
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<p>We commend both you and your house.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">ghop
luQan tajHommey. pe'laH je.
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[the blades] providing both a hand guard and another set of
cutting edges. SP2</span></p>
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<p>In addition to protecting the hand, the blades also cut.</p>
<p>This is the first time in this list that <b>je</b> is used to
join two different verbs, in the same manner as <b>jISop.
jItlhutlh je.</b> The subject remains the same between the
sentences.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">qep'a'
wejDIchDaq jatlhtaH tlhIngan Hol HaDwI'pu'. ghoHtaH je.
tIv'eghtaH je.
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[untranslated] (st.k, MO to SuStel 11/1996)</span></p>
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<p>Another case of the verb changing while the subject stays the
same. The subjects are speaking, arguing, and enjoying themselves.<br>
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<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p> </o:p>chalqachDaq
bIQaDbe' je
<br>
Even in a tower you are not safe. PB</span></p>
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<p>This is apparently the first canonical instance of <b>je</b>
being used for English <i>even.</i> I remember Nick Nicholas did
this all the time in his Shakespearean translations, and I
resisted it. The previous sentence is <b>SanlIj DanarghlaHbe',</b>
so the literal translation is <i>You cannot escape your fate; you
are also not safe (slang) in a tower.</i><br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">Qo'noSDaq
boqwI'mey nejmeH je leng qeylIS 'ej chaHvaD lut ja'
<br>
Kahless also went out to search for allies across Kronos, and
told them his tale. PB</span></p>
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<p>In the previous two stanzas, Kahless grows mighty and strong,
"and it fueled his will to fight." Then you get why he "also"
traveled. There is very little connection between these two
things.<br>
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style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D"><o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class="MsoNormal" style="margin-bottom:12.0pt"><span
style="font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri",sans-serif;color:#1F497D">QIStaqDaq
cholonDI' jIyIn DaH jIyIn je
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I am alive as I was when you left me at Kri'stak (PB)</span></p>
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<p>This is the first example I can think of where the difference
between the two sentences is the adverbial. I lived then and I
also live now.</p>
<p>My conclusion is that <b>je</b> is not restricted to the
examples in <i>TKD</i> where it is treated like the noun
conjunction is spread across two instances of the verb. That is, <b>qaleghpu'
je </b>seems to be <b>SoH pIlegh jIH latlhpu' je</b> or <b>SoH
latlhpu' je Saleghpu',</b> but it can be used for <b>qaQoypu'
'ej qaleghpu'</b><b> </b>and if you say <b>wa'Hu' qaleghpu' je</b>
then it can even be used for <b> cha'Hu' qaleghpu' 'ej wa'Hu'
qaleghpu'.</b> I can't rule out the grammaticality of mayqel's
suggestion, though I again question its necessity.<br>
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